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Old 11-04-2013, 01:16 PM   #31
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X2,

I think they let them idle just to annoy other people.


That is the main reason..... I like to annoy people like OldCoot
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Old 11-04-2013, 01:17 PM   #32
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HMMMM? I`ve never found a need for a diesel even when I was towing with my 95 V-6 Explorer. even now or when I had my 97 Dodge conv. van with the 5.9L gas engine, when I passed some diesels going up a hill I still think to myself "why do you need a diesel when a gasser with less maint. and less issues does the same thing?"
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Old 11-04-2013, 01:22 PM   #33
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I leave mine running for multiple reasons. Some people will disagree but that is fine. I have two batteries for a reason. It takes a lot of power to get the glow plugs warmed up and the starter to get the engine turning over. If my voltage drops to a certain point, I can crank all day long and it still will not start. If I leave it running there is less wear and tear and stress on the batts, glow plugs, relays, starter and alt. and injectors and engine It takes a while for the engine to cool down when shut off, but also a little while to warm up when started. My engine will idle up when started and kick down to the running idle when warm. Fuel usage is very minimal idling. Fuel is burning cleaner when left running. When starting up I will blow out the tail pipe an amount of unburnt fuel. When running positive voltage stills goes to the towed unit and that unit gets all of the power it needs and no TT battery power is used. I have two to six people in the truck traveling, when it is cold, I/they want heat, when it is hot, I/they want cold. The temp range in the cab does not go up and down when shut off and on. These are just a few reasons for me. I believe that there is a lot more wear and tear in the starting sequence vs leaving it running all day long.
So you need the glow plugs after shutting it down for 15 minutes? sounds like a problem with the truck to me. glow plugs (or heater grid on a Cummins) are only needed when it gets cold out. usually below freezing.
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Old 11-04-2013, 01:29 PM   #34
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"that Semi next to me is idling and I leave my 7.3 idling when fueling/ or road side breaks for the rest room and eat"

Just wondering, since I haven't owned a diesel yet, why do diesel owners leave their trucks idling for long periods of time?
Big thing is the TURBO. When it is working, it gets HOT, and takes time to cool off so that the oil doesn't coke. When I come home, I leave it run for about a minute before shutting it off. When towing, depending on what I am doing, usually at least 5 minutes. If I am just fueling and going in to drain the radiator, I will leave it running.

They do make turbo timers. They let the engine idle for a set period of time, and shut off. These are good for company trucks where you don't trust the help in letting the truck idle down.

Our locomotive mechanic told me the story of the dodge turbo gas engines. He was telling me that those had a lot of turbo failures due to coking.
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:00 PM   #35
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Anyone who thinks a modern gas engine is done at 150,000 has been smelling diesel fumes far too long, most will easily make 300 to 400 thousand miles if looked after. But that is just it alot of owners of gas engine trucks seem to think they need no maintaince and then wonder why they only got 100k out of them. Let's face it, diesel guys will try anything and everthing to justify their purchase, gasser guys know they have what they need. I find it quite funny all the " Professional grade OPINIONS on here and they are just that opinions" I have been talked out of diesel trucks for the last 2 we purchased both by the dealers and some very good friends who are OTH truckers by trade. You oil burner people just need to face the facts that not everyone wants needs or cares about you silly little oil burners. I want a truck I can jump into at -35 and go hookup to my flat deck to haul water and not sit around having it plugged in or waiting for it to warm up somewhat. The time I sit waiting I could be halfway to the water supply in my gasser. I have yet to find anywhere I need a diesel and BTW some of us actually like the sound of a nice V8 not the sick cow sound alot of diesels make after they have had the exhaust gutted and all you can hear is that turbo rattle and whistle from a sewer pipe. I also get a laugh out of the fact you all seem to think it is fair to compare a naturally aspirated V8 to a diesel with hair dryers.
That being said, if you want one then buy it but leave the people who like gassers alone and don't try to tell us we all really want an oil burner when we all really don't.

God this gets real old.
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anyone who thinks a modern gas engine is done at 150,000 has been smelling diesel fumes far too long, most will easily make 300 to 400 thousand miles if looked after. But that is just it alot of owners of gas engine trucks seem to think they need no maintaince and then wonder why they only got 100k out of them. Let's face it, diesel guys will try anything and everthing to justify their purchase, gasser guys know they have what they need. I find it quite funny all the " professional grade opinions on here and they are just that opinions" i have been talked out of diesel trucks for the last 2 we purchased both by the dealers and some very good friends who are oth truckers by trade. You oil burner people just need to face the facts that not everyone wants needs or cares about you silly little oil burners. I want a truck i can jump into at -35 and go hookup to my flat deck to haul water and not sit around having it plugged in or waiting for it to warm up somewhat. The time i sit waiting i could be halfway to the water supply in my gasser. I have yet to find anywhere i need a diesel and btw some of us actually like the sound of a nice v8 not the sick cow sound alot of diesels make after they have had the exhaust gutted and all you can hear is that turbo rattle and whistle from a sewer pipe. I also get a laugh out of the fact you all seem to think it is fair to compare a naturally aspirated v8 to a diesel with hair dryers.
That being said, if you want one then buy it but leave the people who like gassers alone and don't try to tell us we all really want an oil burner when we all really don't.

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I also get a laugh out of the fact you all seem to think it is fair to compare a naturally aspirated V8 to a diesel with hair dryers.
hater...enjoy your 6.2 gas milage because I just bought a 2013 work truck F250 reg cab 4x4 for the company, have not seen 15mpg`s running the interstate @70 empty, it now has 10k miles and still gets crappy milage and last week it pulled a flatbed trailer with a propeller and a engine mounted in a transport stand, total weight 9200k from MI to georgia, my mechanics said it pulled terrible and the receipts for gas adv out to 6mpg`s. the 08 2500HD gas it replaced was a slug , but saw better mpg`s with the same loads... This is why we buy smoky, smelly, expensive, oil burners
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:42 PM   #38
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So you need the glow plugs after shutting it down for 15 minutes? sounds like a problem with the truck to me. glow plugs (or heater grid on a Cummins) are only needed when it gets cold out. usually below freezing.

It is not the problem of the truck. The glow plugs are not needed, but that do not keep them, or the Heater Grid (Cummins) from coming on and using voltage. From what I understand they will come on when the ambient temp is around 60 degrees.
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Old 11-04-2013, 03:11 PM   #39
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Gone the diesel route with a Ford 6.0L Powerstorke.
I pulled my 11,000 lb 5th wheel.
Now have a Ford 6.2L gas and save 60 plus cents a gallon on gas instead of buying diesel and additives. Oh did I mention I saved $15,000 when I bought my gas instead of another diesel.

To top it off I must say I sold my 5th wheel and not drive a motorhome with the Ford V10 gasser
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Big thing is the TURBO. When it is working, it gets HOT, and takes time to cool off so that the oil doesn't coke. When I come home, I leave it run for about a minute before shutting it off. When towing, depending on what I am doing, usually at least 5 minutes. If I am just fueling and going in to drain the radiator, I will leave it running.

They do make turbo timers. They let the engine idle for a set period of time, and shut off. These are good for company trucks where you don't trust the help in letting the truck idle down.

Our locomotive mechanic told me the story of the dodge turbo gas engines. He was telling me that those had a lot of turbo failures due to coking.
Usually maintenance issues... or overworking with NO cool down period. Most manuals tell you "idling" for more than a few minutes adds to deposits in the combustion chamber. If you drive long distances after idling, it is supposed to "clean up" the deposits. I run fuel additives that clean these up for me. I don't idle mine long, because I just don't want to. I am to tight and I don't think its good for it. I run synthetic oils(most of the time) so I don't worry about the coking problem so much.

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