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Old 11-05-2013, 07:59 PM   #71
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This discussion goes beyond whether you like diesel or gas. When I posted earlier should have clarified my main reason for switching from the 6.0 gasser to the duramax is because with my 6.0 gasser my maximum trailer towing weight was 9300lbs. I stuck with the exact same chassis but got the duramax with the Allison transmission that came with the same 3:73 gearing as my gasser. With that upgrade my max trailer weight jumped up to 15,800lbs. It pulls our tt with ease. Our gasser not only struggled in strong winds but I could not get any better than 6 mpg while pulling, so for me it was a no brainer. Let's focus on being informative to those who asked for advise, and stop criticizing others. Adios!
This is very true. One thing to add. You may notice a decrease in available payload going from a gasser to diesel in the same model truck. ie. A 2500 with a6.0 may have a few hundred pounds more real available payload vs a 2500 with a Duramax due to added engine weight.
If I ever get a diesel, it'll be a 1T drw.
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:03 PM   #72
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This discussion goes beyond whether you like diesel or gas. When I posted earlier should have clarified my main reason for switching from the 6.0 gasser to the duramax is because with my 6.0 gasser my maximum trailer towing weight was 9300lbs. I stuck with the exact same chassis but got the duramax with the Allison transmission that came with the same 3:73 gearing as my gasser. With that upgrade my max trailer weight jumped up to 15,800lbs. It pulls our tt with ease. Our gasser not only struggled in strong winds but I could not get any better than 6 mpg while pulling, so for me it was a no brainer. Let's focus on being informative to those who asked for advise, and stop criticizing others. Adios!
You obviously had a gas truck that wasn't designed to pull like the Fords gassers now.
If you are just a weekender camper and have a small 10,000 lb trailer and have lots of extra cash for a diesel go for it. Yes you will have more fully power and torque. Mileage between gas and diesel isn't that much of a difference.
Oh don't forget you must buy diesel at a cost of about 20% more than gas and don't forget to get your Diesel additive for truck built after 2010.
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This discussion goes beyond whether you like diesel or gas. When I posted earlier should have clarified my main reason for switching from the 6.0 gasser to the duramax is because with my 6.0 gasser my maximum trailer towing weight was 9300lbs. I stuck with the exact same chassis but got the duramax with the Allison transmission that came with the same 3:73 gearing as my gasser. With that upgrade my max trailer weight jumped up to 15,800lbs. It pulls our tt with ease. Our gasser not only struggled in strong winds but I could not get any better than 6 mpg while pulling, so for me it was a no brainer. Let's focus on being informative to those who asked for advise, and stop criticizing others. Adios!
This is very true. One thing to add. You may notice a decrease in available payload going from a gasser to diesel in the same model truck. ie. A 2500 with a6.0 may have a few hundred pounds more real available payload vs a 2500 with a Duramax due to added engine weight.
If I ever get a diesel, it'll be a 1T drw.
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Wow, so much to take in. There are those who own gassers and swear by them, those who own diesels and swear by them, and those who have own both and swear about both. A lot of swearing going on here. I've owned both, and many of them, from multiple manufacturers. What I can say is, if a gasser will get you by, pulling what you have ... go with it. They are easier and cheaper to maintain. If you are "marginal" on towing with a gasser, then a diesel will ease your mental strain, but not your physical pocket book. You have decide which is more important at that point. If your towing requirements demand a diesel, then you are forced into your category in which you feel you must defend. Simple truth, a diesel will out pull a gasser any day of the week, but the cost of ownership is not viable for all. I went from diesels to gassers when my towing requirements decreased, and back to diesels when they increased. The new diesels are not finicky and they don't smell, and the gassers are getting higher tow ratings and improved mpg's. It's anyone's argument.
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Wow, so much to take in. There are those who own gassers and swear by them, those who own diesels and swear by them, and those who have own both and swear about both. A lot of swearing going on here. I've owned both, and many of them, from multiple manufacturers. What I can say is, if a gasser will get you by, pulling what you have ... go with it. They are easier and cheaper to maintain. If you are "marginal" on towing with a gasser, then a diesel will ease your mental strain, but not your physical pocket book. You have decide which is more important at that point. If your towing requirements demand a diesel, then you are forced into your category in which you feel you must defend. Simple truth, a diesel will out pull a gasser any day of the week, but the cost of ownership is not viable for all. I went from diesels to gassers when my towing requirements decreased, and back to diesels when they increased. The new diesels are not finicky and they don't smell, and the gassers are getting higher tow ratings and improved mpg's. It's anyone's argument.
Very well said AquaMan! Your diesel even pulls the extra wt of all the rubber ducks including the free loader on the axle.
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When I wanted to get into camping I purchased a 1/2 ton Silverado just so I could pull a pop up. Well needless to say I didn't keep the pop up to long and moved up to a 23' hybrid. I could tell the camper was back there when towing but not enough to make me up grade trucks. Move forward I did upgrade the camper to a 24' travel trailer because I didn't like being cold due to the canvass bunk ends and when towing the new camper I could really tell the trailer was back there. So I decided it was time to upgrade trucks and purchased a 3/4 ton serria w/6.0 gasser. It pulled the trailer well, but did struggle on the back road hills of Missouri and I dare not run the air if I want to keep up my speed not to mention I didn't like the 7 mpg I got when towing. Then came the word we all know when it comes to camping UPGRADE. I purchased the trailer in my signature and my truck pulled it but I knew it was back there and still got 7mpg when towing. fast forward to this spring my serria had 176,xxx miles on it and I noticed I lost 25%of my oil pressure and the transmission started to act up. So now it was time to upgrade the truck rather than stick a small fortune in it. Since I had the serria and noticed it didn't tow as well as I liked. I had wanted a diesel for some before the truck started acting up. This spring I started looking for a used Duramax with the Allison transmission. but could only find trucks with very high miles with what I thought to be to high of a price tag. I had spoke with several people about replacing my truck and wanting a diesel. Then was informed about the fords with the 7.3's and how reliable they were and the term bulletproof was used by more than on person I spoke to. so I expanded my search to include fords. I checked a not so local Chevy dealers used inventory and found a 2001 f 250 xlt extended cab with the 7.3 with only 26,3xx actual miles. I test drove the truck and fell in love with it. Needless to say I signed over the title to the Sierra over and wrote a check for the ford. I think I did very well paying 19,800 for a truck that was very close to new. The first time I towed my camper with the diesel I couldn't wipe the smile off my face it towed like a dream. I will never own another gasser, it's diesel for me from now on. Not to mention with the required maintenance this truck should last me a very long time.
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I love my diesel duramax, but im thinking about getting and/ or converting a 1ton to CNG. I think that the $1.19 a gge (gasoline gallon equivalent) may override the loss of power im use too. But then again I may fall in love when the new body style duramaxs show up at work in a few months!!

Ps. Just got my Oklahoma State CNG alternative fuels certification.! (certification is required in oklahoma to touch anything CNG, propane or EV)
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I think we really need to clarify a few things here since there are some folks actually trying to gain knowledge from this thread. For those of you who have commented asking questions or scared about diesel/gas etc lets just lay out a few things as most of this thread has been filled with people trying to justify their own purchase and the majority of this thread is people getting their panties in a bunch for no reason. The fact is there are 2 totally separate conversations going on that continue to be mixed together. The first is a performance and maintenance conversation of gas vs diesel. This is very simple. Diesel simply pulls and tows better than gas and ON AVERAGE (not always but most of the time) can run far more miles before needing an overhaul. Most Diesel trucks come completly stock with anywhere from 350-400 HP and roughly 800 ft lb torque. Most gassers on the market today from factory are very similar HP ratings (sometimes a touch more) and will typically be 350-450 ft lbs torque. HP means nothing at all when pulling or towing. Remember that because it is a fact. Torque and gearing is all that matters for towing. Simply put todays diesels will all out tow every gas truck out there and IN MY OPINION by a large margin. So, there really is no argument for conversation number 1. Do you want the truck that offers the highest tow rating? it will always be a diesel.

Now conversation 2 is Do I need a Diesel and is the difference worth the price and do I tow enough to justify the difference. This purely depends on your trailer, your wallet, and your preference. There are very capable gassers that can tow large trailers, just not AS large as diesel. Gassers are also cheaper to maintain (less oil, fuel filter changes, etc) At the end of the day, if you are happy with your truck and it tows your trailer then you are in great shape.

We can argue conversation number 2 until the cows come home and all we will be doing is wasting time but conversation 1 is just fact. My goal with this post is to encourage people who want to try to convince people that gas pulls just as well and people who insist everyone need diesel to relax. to each their own. I have owned both. I had a 3/4 ton with gas and now a 3/4 with diesel. Both very capable trucks. Lets try to put this to bed
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it certainly is not night and day difference.

it most certainly IS a night and day difference. please tell me which gas motor was putting out comparable torque, and i will look into one of those. but the one restriction i have is that it cant rev to the stratosphere to do so. then i would really be interested.
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Kfp- here I'll pass the popcorn! ;D
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