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Old 08-04-2016, 09:12 PM   #1
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Another Weight & Balance Thread

First post, so go easy.

Wife has 2013 Ford F150 SCREW, 3.5 Eco Boost, 5.5 bed. 18" tires. Not max tow. Payload sticker says 1401 lbs. Good Firestones, truck is at BSA camp, so I can't read them right now. GVWR for truck says 7200 lbs!

TT is a 2017 ROO, 23IKSS. GVWR for trailer 6628 lbs.

Blue Ox hitch with 750 lbs bars.

with wife, 2 grandsons, me and some stuff in the bed, probably 700 lbs. Tongue weight was listed at dealer as 550 lbs. Yes, it was empty. So we added our usual stuff (original camper was a popup) So, camp chairs, tool bag, those sorts of things. I'm guessing about 650 on the hitch.

Drove to the UP of Michigan, no real issues, except for a terrible headwind.

3200 miles later, I did notice the nose of the truck a little high and weight and balance training came into play. (22 years USN Aviation) I decided to purchase a hydraulic tongue scale.

Weighed trailer at hitch .... almost 700 lbs! Probably going to swap out bars to the 1000 lbs ones.

so question is. Do the manufacturers actually weigh campers before they put the sticker on, or is this a guideline? Are hitch weights usually that far off? Or, once again, are those "averages"?

As camper is new to me, grandma and I are working through the "take this, don't take that" and then where to place it. I've convinced her that weight and balance are important!

(BTW, I am weighing the rig soonest to get true numbers)

Great Forum, love the comraderie.

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Old 08-04-2016, 09:23 PM   #2
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My trailer was 300 pounds lighter than the FR stated weight. The tongue weight (via Sherline and CAT scale) was 90 pounds less. Unless you go to a cat scale all the numbers (except max gross weight) are just a WAG.
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Old 08-04-2016, 09:34 PM   #3
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My understanding is that the stated tongue weight(naked) does not include things like propane bottle(s) and battery.
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Old 08-04-2016, 11:10 PM   #4
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The trailer manufacturer’s hitch weight is an official number used one time before the trailer is sold. For the trailer manufacturer the published hitch weight when added to the total GAWR MUST equal or exceed the GVWR.

Once you own a trailer all weights are your responsibility.
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1. The hitch weight as listed on the camper is the number created when this camper was weighed at the factory.
2. Battery weighs 40 lbs or so.
3. WDH adds another 50 lbs.
4. Anything added to the camper in front of the axle will add weight also.
5. You should be fine if you don't load the truck to the max. Put more gear in the camper near the axles. Too much in front will increase tongue weight. Too much in back could cause tail wag.
6. FWIW....I pull the same camper with a 2013 Ram 1500 4x4 quad cab hemi. I'm close on payload but well under on tow capacity. Pulls well with no issues.
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My understanding is that the stated tongue weight(naked) does not include things like propane bottle(s) and battery.

Over the last decade +/- full propane is included in factory guess....
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My tongue weight according to the Sherline scale was lighter than factory published number, even with battery and dual propane.
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Over the last decade +/- full propane is included in factory guess....
You are correct. The regulation was enacted in early 2007 and currently reads like this... "If applicable, the weight of full propane tanks must be included in the RV's UVW and the weight of on-board potable water must be treated as cargo." That is a quote from FMVSS 571.110, Paragraph S9.3.2.
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UVW is not tongue weight. No regulation states that propane must be added to the published tongue weight.


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UVW is not tongue weight. No regulation states that propane must be added to the published tongue weight.


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Where is the propane weight located?
Propane must be figured as part of the trailer's UVW.
Published tongue weight is a mandatory requirement for the trailer manufacturer. How they figure it is not relevant as long as the figures satisfy NHTSA.
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