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Old 01-22-2015, 05:48 PM   #31
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Pulling my Windjammer with my 6.4 Hemi (Tow/Haul engaged) i'm getting 11 MPG. Easy to forget the trailer is back there, when going over bumps and railroad tracks the tail doesn't wag the dog.
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Old 01-22-2015, 06:30 PM   #32
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NoI purchased my 2500_ mega cab 6.4 in a Laramie trim around $47K. The sticker was $55.500k. This discount included the 3000k in rebates. I purchased the lifetime warranty, which no other manufacture offers for their trucks $2300.00 was the online price. The truck is loaded with so many goodies it took several weeks to figure how to work them. As far as towing upgrades I added the 4.10 rear gear ratio, the limited slip rear axle and the chrome plated fold/power mirrors. All other HD stuff was standard equipt.
The truck came with a 5/yr 100,000.00 mile power train warranty.
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Old 01-23-2015, 08:41 AM   #33
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Oh and a friend ran the some numbers gas vs diesel - the break-even point is ~105K miles. (considering added purchase cost and increased fuel efficiency of the diesel)
Is that with today's gas/diesel prices? How many miles towing?

Diesel:

Unloaded: 16/20, average 18mpg
Cost Per mile @ 2.86 $.159

Loaded: 12mpg
Cost Per mile @ 2.86 $.238

Gas:

Unloaded: 12/15, average 13.5mpg
Cost per mile @ 2.04 $.151

Loaded: 8mpg
Cost per mile @ 2.04 $.255


My calculations using todays national US average fuel prices show you lose with diesel in daily driving and gain with it when towing. This doesn't consider the additional maintenance expense or DEF. There are lots of reasons to go diesel if you can afford it, but at today's prices it's just simply not going to pay for itself.
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Old 01-23-2015, 09:04 AM   #34
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Pulling my Windjammer with my 6.4 Hemi (Tow/Haul engaged) i'm getting 11 MPG. Easy to forget the trailer is back there, when going over bumps and railroad tracks the tail doesn't wag the dog.
Wow, the 3029W is VERY nice. If we upgrade in the future it will most likely be to something like that and not a 5er. At that length and weight I doubt there would be a difference towing with the 5.7L/3.73 vs the 6.4L/4.10 other than peace of mind with the larger engine and better mountain performance.
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Old 01-23-2015, 10:06 AM   #35
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To do a good comparison, and if someone is considering new doing a 5 year price average will give you a better idea. Diesel fuel price fluctuates differently then gas based on supply. Price of oil drops and gas price goes down in a week, it can take diesel a month. Same thing will happen when price goes back up, gas will change in a week and diesel can actually continue to drop.

Where I live, up to three months ago diesel was on average about .33 cents a gallon cheaper. When the price of oil dropped gas price did, Diesel much slower drop.

In my opinion unless a person spends the majority of their miles hauling, no real advantage to a diesel. If someone really spent the time to do a correct comparison, I feel you would find that gas or diesel, for the average Joe, works out to the exact same cost at the end of life date for the truck. This only applies buying new. Only reason I am driving a diesel, got the truck new for 40k us for a drw, roughly 6k cheaper then the gas SRW.
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Old 01-23-2015, 10:54 AM   #36
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To do a good comparison, and if someone is considering new doing a 5 year price average will give you a better idea. Diesel fuel price fluctuates differently then gas based on supply. Price of oil drops and gas price goes down in a week, it can take diesel a month. Same thing will happen when price goes back up, gas will change in a week and diesel can actually continue to drop.

Where I live, up to three months ago diesel was on average about .33 cents a gallon cheaper. When the price of oil dropped gas price did, Diesel much slower drop.

In my opinion unless a person spends the majority of their miles hauling, no real advantage to a diesel. If someone really spent the time to do a correct comparison, I feel you would find that gas or diesel, for the average Joe, works out to the exact same cost at the end of life date for the truck. This only applies buying new. Only reason I am driving a diesel, got the truck new for 40k us for a drw, roughly 6k cheaper then the gas SRW.
I agree that using an average will most likely yield a more accurate result than using today's prices-good luck predicting fuel prices, though. I would still find it very unlikely that anyone would ever come out ahead monetarily buying a diesel, especially if one considers maintenance and repair costs. And yes, I understand that you get most or all of the initial investment back later. If you tow the vast majority of the time a diesel will very likely be the more economical choice. Once again, there are many reasons a diesel makes sense. I personally don't think you can make a very good case for it being CHEAPER, is all. I can guarantee you that if I had the money I'd have a 1 ton 4x4 dually diesel loaded to the gills! If it would pay for itself, I think we'd all have one. Unfortunately they just don't.

Edit; Just wanted to add that I don't think I've seen regular gas higher than diesel in YEARS. I'm almost certain I haven't since ULSD started in 2010, but I think it was actually years before that when diesel started it's price climb and went above gas. Maybe someones memory on here will serve them better than mine right now.
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The price I quote for diesel is in Nova Scotia. When I bought my truck in July it was 10 cents cheaper a litr. I converted it over to US as the majority on here are US.

I do get a lot of comments about price to maintain my diesel truck from freinds and family. I just do not see it yet, and although new I did some math before I bought comparing it to my 1500 hemi. Oil changes are a wash, yes I will pay 199 for a diesel change but would need to change my gas engine 4 to 5 times, not doing it myself would cost me more. I have to toss in a fuel filter at the same time, another 200 but if I am going by the book the hemi needed 16 new spark plugs every 31000 miles so the diffrence there is a wash.

I think we are on the same page dustmen, I do not think anyone can make a case that a gas or diesel truck is a cheaper option unless the majority of travel is towing. Would love to see an actual to actual, getting work done at a dealer, money on fuel spent, money on brakes and such. I do not think a diesel is anymore to own when new and under warranty.
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The price I quote for diesel is in Nova Scotia. When I bought my truck in July it was 10 cents cheaper a litr. I converted it over to US as the majority on here are US.

I do get a lot of comments about price to maintain my diesel truck from freinds and family. I just do not see it yet, and although new I did some math before I bought comparing it to my 1500 hemi. Oil changes are a wash, yes I will pay 199 for a diesel change but would need to change my gas engine 4 to 5 times, not doing it myself would cost me more. I have to toss in a fuel filter at the same time, another 200 but if I am going by the book the hemi needed 16 new spark plugs every 31000 miles so the diffrence there is a wash.

I think we are on the same page dustmen, I do not think anyone can make a case that a gas or diesel truck is a cheaper option unless the majority of travel is towing. Would love to see an actual to actual, getting work done at a dealer, money on fuel spent, money on brakes and such. I do not think a diesel is anymore to own when new and under warranty.
Wonder how they came up with 31000???? I typically change spark plugs when it starts missing.
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Wonder how they came up with 31000???? I typically change spark plugs when it starts missing.
No idea, shocked the living out of me when I had gone in for my 50000km service, which is just over the 31000 miles, service guy says your spark plugs are do. I was in disbelief, would have cost me little over $400 at the dealer to do it. Went to a local shop and had them changed for $315, traded it 15000 later but not becuase it was a bad truck, went in kicking tires and they said yes to me offer lol. That was a tough call to the wife, know that truck that we paid for, I just bought a new one.....her new dining room set looks lovely.
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No idea, shocked the living out of me when I had gone in for my 50000km service, which is just over the 31000 miles, service guy says your spark plugs are do. I was in disbelief, would have cost me little over $400 at the dealer to do it. Went to a local shop and had them changed for $315, traded it 15000 later but not becuase it was a bad truck, went in kicking tires and they said yes to me offer lol. That was a tough call to the wife, no that truck that we paid for, I just bought a new one.....her new dining room set looks lovely.
"Quid pro quo", right?
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