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Old 10-07-2016, 01:16 PM   #31
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The newer common rail Cummins get less fuel mileage than the older ones. Be apprised of that and the DEF systems are issue prone.
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Old 10-07-2016, 01:56 PM   #32
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Congrats! Both are good, it's all depends on what you need, the hemi 6.4L with 4.10 gears work for me. Pics?
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Old 10-07-2016, 04:25 PM   #33
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Wow, there are some uninformed folks throwing out info in here today...

1) as of 2013, the Ram 2500 and Ram 3500 do not use the same frames. The suspension is also different as the 2500 is coil springs. The rear frame sections are different.

2) I get better fuel mileage in my 2014 3500 DRW than I did my 2005 2500 SRW... the ones with poor mileage were the non- DEF trucks (before 2013)

3) please provide back up that the DEF system has been trouble prone on the Rams. Chevy had a rash of DEF issues in 2011... I have been a member of the TDR for many years and maybe have heard of a couple DEF issues on the Rams... I have had no problems with my 2014, and I have 3 friends with 2013+ trucks and none of them have had a lick of issues with DEF either.

OP... enjoy the truck... you will be pleased... don't freak out about the emissions system on the 2013+ trucks... they are proving to be quite reliable.
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Old 10-07-2016, 06:40 PM   #34
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Wow, there are some uninformed folks throwing out info in here today...

1) as of 2013, the Ram 2500 and Ram 3500 do not use the same frames. The suspension is also different as the 2500 is coil springs. The rear frame sections are different.

2) I get better fuel mileage in my 2014 3500 DRW than I did my 2005 2500 SRW... the ones with poor mileage were the non- DEF trucks (before 2013)

3) please provide back up that the DEF system has been trouble prone on the Rams. Chevy had a rash of DEF issues in 2011... I have been a member of the TDR for many years and maybe have heard of a couple DEF issues on the Rams... I have had no problems with my 2014, and I have 3 friends with 2013+ trucks and none of them have had a lick of issues with DEF either.

OP... enjoy the truck... you will be pleased... don't freak out about the emissions system on the 2013+ trucks... they are proving to be quite reliable.
Short Horn, sorry regarding #1 you are misinformed:

The 2013 HDs got the new 50k PSI high strength steel frame (dually first up from previous 30K PSI). Then in 2014 the frame migrated to all Heavy Duty Rams 2500 and 3500. Both use the new heavier duty 3-link solid axle coil front suspension. The only difference is the 3500 retains rear leaf springs. Frames are the same, including 5th wheel prep frame reinforcement and Class V 2.5" hitch.

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Old 10-07-2016, 06:44 PM   #35
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2014 and up 2500 and 3500 frames should be the same. The 3500 gets an 11.8 rear end vs the 11.5 in the 2500, or so I've read.

Plenty of combos to look at regarding weight numbers.

The 6.7 Cummins is a worthy choice and no matter the rating will out pull the 6.4 Hemi all day long and get better mileage doing it.

Enjoy your new ride.

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Old 10-08-2016, 07:04 AM   #36
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Thanks for the clarification...I missed the frame change in 2014.
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Old 11-13-2016, 05:11 PM   #37
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Congrats! What configuration did you get?

I noted sticker payload on the Cummins 2500 was about 1000 lbs lower than a comparable 6.4L Hemi when I was shopping. (though they are both built on the same frame/axles as the 3500's)
You are correct...right from the Ram website...a 2500 Crew Cab with 6'4" box equipped with the 6.4 Hemi has a payload of 3300 lbs, the 6.7 Cummins has a payload of 2540 lbs.
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You are correct...right from the Ram website...a 2500 Crew Cab with 6'4" box equipped with the 6.4 Hemi has a payload of 3300 lbs, the 6.7 Cummins has a payload of 2540 lbs.
That is what keeps us from driving a new one home, Ford or Dodge. To get a big bump in power- we have to go diesel. If diesel, then to get a bump in payload we have to go 350/3500. For now we'll stick with our F-150. Most trips are close to home due to work, so it is just fine. Plus it matches the camper.

We did look at Dodge's recently which led us to believe we wouldn't be happy with anything but a Limited Megacab. Wallet said "no".
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The underlying reason for the reduced payload is powertrian weight. The Ford, Dodge and Chevy engines are heavy as are the transmissions, whereas the gas engines are much lighter.

The eco boost in the Ford is pressure cast aluminum.. The Cummins is cast iron as is the Duramax and the Powerstroke. Additional weight equates to a reduction in payload.

Real simple.

I'll take a diesel over a gasoline engine anytime (even a pollution diesel engine). They last longer with less upkeep over the long haul.
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I'll take a diesel over a gasoline engine anytime (even a pollution diesel engine). They last longer with less upkeep over the long haul.

Diesel is great for many, not for all. Frequent short trip duty cycle comes to mind -very hard on a diesel. Geographical location would be a factor too mountains vs. flatland. If I lived in the Rockies, I'd have a diesel in my driveway.

Typically, diesels do last longer. Its all about maintenance and use though. I disagree that they have less upkeep over the longhaul. Injector failure and emissions problems out of warranty come to mind. With the thousands that can cost, one could replace a entire gasser engine; and with Ram a lifetime maxcare bumper to bumper warranty is available on gas, not diesel.

For me, gasser was an easy choice. Our TV is dedicated to TT pulling and not a DD so MPG isn't a factor (its much better than i expected though) Bigger payload, same chassis/axles as diesel and plenty room to upgrade RV.
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