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Old 01-29-2013, 04:14 PM   #11
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You could swap out the gears to raise your trucks towing capacity. But do your homework. The sales people will tell you anything to sell you the trailer. It is not they do not know what they are talking about but it is not their truck they are talking about.
There is nothing that can be done to "Raise" a trucks tow capacity it leaves the factory with. There are thing to help make it tow better but the sticker on the door jamb is with it for it's lifetime. As for a gear swap it is expensive take it from me I just did it in my 3/4 ton Ram I went from a 3.73 to a 4.56 and it set me back 2K. I must add I am 4x4 so I had to do both front and rear. A 2wd truck would be less
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:20 PM   #12
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There is nothing that can be done to "Raise" a trucks tow capacity it leaves the factory with. There are thing to help make it tow better but the sticker on the door jamb is with it for it's lifetime. As for a gear swap it is expensive take it from me I just did it in my 3/4 ton Ram I went from a 3.73 to a 4.56 and it set me back 2K. I must add I am 4x4 so I had to do both front and rear. A 2wd truck would be less
1/2 ton would be even less than 3/4 ton 2wd to 2wd
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:51 PM   #13
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I think you answered your own question when you said- salesman
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:29 PM   #14
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I think you answered your own question when you said- salesman

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Over the years I have never known a car salesman that had a clue as to what towing capacities really are. (I know there are a few that do) All they seem to know is the max. that a vehicle could tow if equiped correctly (they don't tell you all that).

As far as door capacity stickers mine does not have one (may have but it is long gone) but personally after the warranty is up, upgrades can help to a point. I found out the hard way that some changes will void even an extended warranty. (Even if you bought the vehicle with them already on there).
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:35 PM   #15
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Let me guess, he doesn't have the higher tow capacity truck in stock, right? Typical salesman.
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:40 PM   #16
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They will say anything they can to sell a unit in stock vs ordering one or doing a dealer search.

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Old 01-29-2013, 07:40 PM   #17
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Hey just tow it in first gear all the time, that will minimize the stress, sort of. Seriously, is you are a flat lander and are gentle, you will probably not hurt anything, since there is a safety margin, but I still would get a more purpose designed TV. That 7000 rating applies anywhere theoretically, at sea level or at 6000 ft, so if you are an east coaster and staying there you will not be pushing it as much as a guy in the western mountains

Just saying.

Another example.

My 2007 3/4 ton Chevy duramax is rated to pull 12k lbs, the 2008 version of the same vehicle, with no power train differences is rated at 14.4K and the new ones are rated at like 17k same power train pretty much. There have been some suspension and brake changes, but that's a pretty big increase. My feeling is that all the mfg are pushing the rates to keep up with each other, and the safety margins are getting smaller.
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:45 PM   #18
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1/2 ton would be even less than 3/4 ton 2wd to 2wd
Don't count on it. 3/4 ton 2WD vs 1/2 ton 2WD, you're only looking at a slight increase in the cost of the parts, which, in the grand scheme of all things gear swap, is the least of your concerns cost-wise. Most of the cost of a gear swap is in labor, and it's something that needs to be done by a qualified tech, not Jimmy down on the corner in his garage. The tolerances involved in correctly setting up ring and pinion backlash and all the other stuff involved is way beyond driveway mechanic land. The labor is the same, 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton.

Take it from the guy who is on the THIRD set of axles under his Jeep.
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Ok guys, working at a gm dealer, I can clear some if this up.
For 2012 and I think 13s are the same( no need to change anything since 2014s are hitting the floor in a couple months)- on a standard 1/2 ton truck with a 4.3, 4.8,or 5.3 you either have 3.08 or 3.42 gears- that's it period- doesn't mater if its 2 or 4wd.
- to get 3.73 gears factory (unless you know someone, or there is someother option that I'm not aware of- but not likely, since most special options are in "packages") you have to get the "towmax" package, with that you get the 6.2 engine, 3.73 gears, I believe the 6L70E tranny instead of the 6L60E, and I'm not positive but I think it has the 9.5"ring gear-14bolt rear axle instead if the 8.5" normal rear axle.
I have not seen any 4.10 gears for 1/2 tons- I think that the 6 speed trannys gear ratios have eliminated that.
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I wanted to see if some of you guys agree with what a truck salesman told me about axle ratio.

I have the Silverado 1500 5.3 V8 with the axle that gets better gas mileage but does not tow as much. I think the other axle gives the truck a tow capacity of over 9,000 pounds and my axle ratio brings that number down to the 7,000 pound range. Sorry, but I don't have the exact numbers with me.

His explanation is that two trucks with those two axles could have the same engines, same transmissions, same towing packages and same suspensions. Consequently, he says, it is perfectly safe and will not harm the truck to haul 9,000 pounds with either truck, regardless of which axle is used. He says the only difference would be that it would take longer for the truck with the lower tow rating to tow a trailer up a long grade.

I know the towing equation is much more complicated, but I just wondered if you guys agree with this guy regarding the general concept of how the axle ratios affect safety and performance.

This doesn't affect my towing at the moment, but might if I went to a larger unit.

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