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Old 07-09-2015, 01:24 PM   #31
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I know your a well respected , long term member of this forum and many believe what you speak is gospel, and I also agree to much what you say, however, the point I am making , and the one you keep missing is that air bags and timbrens provide the same outcome. That being the case, why spend the extra, and take on the extra work of installation for air bags when timbrens can provide the same thing. Unlike you, I have the experience of using both. Therefore , 'my friend', as it relates to this, I can speak with 100% confidence compared to your 50%.
I do tend to agree with you Rugged on your stance with OC's word being well respected on the forum here. He and I have different opinions on topics as well but rightfully so. Each are allowed their opinions biased or not.

OC, Turbs and I have all butted heads in the past as well all have our own opinions. Turbs actually offered up his phone number to me to chat a while back to assist me in building my own set of awning poles.

Guys like OC and Turbs have obviously been around the camping world a long time and have a ton of experience for which I have a ton of respect. Doesn't mean people always have to agree exactly how to do things...

Now that we have gone completely off topic, i will steer it back in saying that regardless of timbrens or air bags i'm sure the majority of people would agree they accomplish the same tasks. As you mentioned the benefit of the timbrens is the lower cost, easier install and require no user interface. Air bags shine in the fact that they are infinitely adjustable which can be a huge factor for different road surfaces...

Arguing which is better would be like arguing about truck brands, ultimately one style isn't going to fit everyone... (but dodge is the best fyi...)
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Old 07-09-2015, 01:27 PM   #32
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I do tend to agree with you Rugged on your stance with OC's word being well respected on the forum here. He and I have different opinions on topics as well but rightfully so. Each are allowed their opinions biased or not.

OC, Turbs and I have all butted heads in the past as well all have our own opinions. Turbs actually offered up his phone number to me to chat a while back to assist me in building my own set of awning poles.

Guys like OC and Turbs have obviously been around the camping world a long time and have a ton of experience for which I have a ton of respect. Doesn't mean people always have to agree exactly how to do things...

Now that we have gone completely off topic, i will steer it back in saying that regardless of timbrens or air bags i'm sure the majority of people would agree they accomplish the same tasks. As you mentioned the benefit of the timbrens is the lower cost, easier install and require no user interface. Air bags shine in the fact that they are infinitely adjustable which can be a huge factor for different road surfaces...

Arguing which is better would be like arguing about truck brands, ultimately one style isn't going to fit everyone... (but dodge is the best fyi...)

I agree, Dodge is the best
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Old 07-09-2015, 01:50 PM   #33
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Timbrens are just like the overload springs factory furnished years ago. Had them on a 78 "Heavy 1/2" and took them off. My only point is, you have no control over them as to whether they are enough for the load imposed and they still allow for sag when a load is applied and thus takes load off the front end which is certainly not desirable. I prefer to tow with the trailer and the tow vehicle to be a close to level as possible, which is not achievable with overloads or Timbrens.
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Old 07-09-2015, 01:58 PM   #34
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Like I stated in my earlier post the user could buy the "AIRLITER ULTIMATE 5000 AIR BAGS". This includes the jounce bumper (timbrens) and the air bags all in one device. So you can have the best of both worlds. Than everyone could be happy with their advice.














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Old 07-09-2015, 02:14 PM   #35
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Timbrens are just like the overload springs factory furnished years ago. Had them on a 78 "Heavy 1/2" and took them off. My only point is, you have no control over them as to whether they are enough for the load imposed and they still allow for sag when a load is applied and thus takes load off the front end which is certainly not desirable. I prefer to tow with the trailer and the tow vehicle to be a close to level as possible, which is not achievable with overloads or Timbrens.
This is false OC. To say that you have no control is false in that some of their kits come with spaces to aid in when they are actually taking affect, ip so facto not allowing the trucks suspension to deflect as much.

Then to say that it isn't possible for the timbrens to allow you to tow level is just asinine... My father's ram 3500 drw pulls a camper with 3000+ pounds of tongue weight as well as he has an 80 gallon aux tank in the bed full of fuel... the truck squat just passed level with no help. Timbrens providing a firm smooth and LEVEL ride.

Yes, we understand that the air bags give you more flexibility but again why spend more to do the same job for less money and less work installing and less work to physically use...??
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Old 07-09-2015, 02:31 PM   #37
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I too have used both. Started with Timbrens, added Airlift 1000s (both on Ram 1500). These are both products that various people will swear "work perfectly", but that I wasn't ever able to get complete satisfaction from. I think, IMHO, it was because I was trying to fix too much of a TT vs TV mismatch. The numbers said it was good, but my driving experience said otherwise.

All of this to say that the OP asked for opinions, he has surely gotten them, and in the end he may be happy with one, both, or neither (at which point he either changes TVs, TT, or lives with it). That decision will have to be based on his specific situation and (perhaps even more importantly) his towing preferences/expectations.

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Old 07-09-2015, 02:59 PM   #38
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...and less work to physically use...??
Pushing a button is a big physical expenditure.

It took me about an hour to install the airbags/compressor which were only $175 when I bought them in 1995. Took them off the 95 put them on a 2000 and now on a 2005. Don't think the Timbren for a 95 will fit on a 2000 and a 2005. But regardless why should I use Timbrens to do what I get for free? The OP can use whatever he wants, even the new Timbrens with the air bag, but what has he gained over airbags/compressor?

To me, pushing a button to inflate or deflate is about as easy as it can get. After using them for years, I know exactly how much to put in the bags even empty to get the truck level when I hook up. It does take about 10-15 secs to pump them up. Exhausting as it is, I think I can manage a few more years.
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Timbrens are just like the overload springs factory furnished years ago. Had them on a 78 "Heavy 1/2" and took them off. My only point is, you have no control over them as to whether they are enough for the load imposed and they still allow for sag when a load is applied and thus takes load off the front end which is certainly not desirable. I prefer to tow with the trailer and the tow vehicle to be a close to level as possible, which is not achievable with overloads or Timbrens.
1st truck with Timbrens, Nissan Titan pulling a 6000 lb TT

2nd truck with Timbrens, Ford F250 pulling a 12,000 lb 5'er

Happy with both, both trucks sit level when hooked up....No ISSUES
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Winston Churchill once said

'Never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.'

Wish I had paid attention and never read this thread.
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