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Old 05-10-2013, 06:35 PM   #1
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buying new TV questions

DW and I are overwhelmed/confused trying to by a new (to us) TV for our Roo 23IKSS. The label on the trailer states the dry weight at 5048# and a CC of 1457#. So if we fully load the trailer we’re looking at about 6400# fully loaded.
The vehicles we’ve been looking at are the extended or crew cab F150’s and 1500 with the larger engines, DW likes the Avalanche also with the bigger engine. The tow capacity of these trucks easily will pull the trailer but the cargo capacity seems lacking with ME, DW and to sons in the cab added to the tongue weight. The truck will spend 85% of time not towing anything, and DW doesn’t want “some big behemoth sitting in the driveway for our 17 y.o. to drive”.
My question is what do I really need to be worried about, not exceeding the GCWR of the TV, the CC of the TV? I have spent countless hours on this site and RV.net as well as all the towing guides trying to figure out the best answer. With the available vehicles listed for sale on line.
Any help input would be very much appreciated, thanks
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:50 PM   #2
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DW and I are overwhelmed/confused trying to by a new (to us) TV for our Roo 23IKSS. The label on the trailer states the dry weight at 5048# and a CC of 1457#. So if we fully load the trailer we’re looking at about 6400# fully loaded.
The vehicles we’ve been looking at are the extended or crew cab F150’s and 1500 with the larger engines, DW likes the Avalanche also with the bigger engine. The tow capacity of these trucks easily will pull the trailer but the cargo capacity seems lacking with ME, DW and to sons in the cab added to the tongue weight. The truck will spend 85% of time not towing anything, and DW doesn’t want “some big behemoth sitting in the driveway for our 17 y.o. to drive”.
My question is what do I really need to be worried about, not exceeding the GCWR of the TV, the CC of the TV? I have spent countless hours on this site and RV.net as well as all the towing guides trying to figure out the best answer. With the available vehicles listed for sale on line.
Any help input would be very much appreciated, thanks
I would check the towing guides as a reference to help you know what to look for,before finding a truck that isnt properly equipped. Ex. Avalanche with a 5.3 l engine with 3.73 rear end might be enough. Then look at options that would increase tow capacity. Then you will know what to look for. I would opt for a 2500 or f250 if you can swing it.
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You'll be fine with a 150 or 1500 with the heavy tow package. My crew silverado is rated to tow 9600 lbs and the 150's are rated a little higher.
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You'll be fine with a 150 or 1500 with the heavy tow package. My crew silverado is rated to tow 9600 lbs and the 150's are rated a little higher.
I agree.. wish i had a 2500 . Im maxed out and need a bigger truck before getting bigger tt. Just suggesting to get bigger than you need..for the next camper..
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My question is what do I really need to be worried about, not exceeding the GCWR of the TV, the CC of the TV?
Good question. The answer is that you should not exceed ANY of the ratings. For RV towing, the one most likely to be exceeded is the Cargo Carrying Capacity (CCC). If that's ok, look at GAWR-rear. (You'll likely be ok on the others.)
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Get the F150 ecoboost with max tow or a new tundra and you should be ok. I would also get a short bed with 4 door cab. It will give you seating space and not be too long.
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Old 05-10-2013, 07:58 PM   #7
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Get the F150 ecoboost with max tow or a new tundra and you should be ok. I would also get a short bed with 4 door cab. It will give you seating space and not be too long.
Maybe he'll never have more than 2 people in the truck!?!
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I have a F150 with the 3.5L Ecoboost with 3.73 and max tow pkg. and its pay load is 1,970 lbs. and tow cap. is 11,500 lbs and boy does it tow nicely. It works for me because when i am not towing it gets pretty good gas milage 17 to 18 mpg and 10 to 11 mpg when I tow and like you said it isn't to big for my driveway
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stardrive- the biggest problem you'll come up against with a family of 4 (especially with teens and even more especially if any friends ride with y'all) is going to be the carrying capacity of the truck (also known as payload). From the payload, you have to subtract the driver's weight over 150 pounds, all occupants, all of the miscellaneous stuff in the truck, all of the add-one that make your truck yours (no matter how little- bed covers, toppers, tailgate assists, etc. and so on) and anything that you put into the bed of the truck. For me, my family and what we carry- that number alone came to 1,200 pounds! I was flabbergasted! I knew I was chunky, but dang! What's left over is what you can carry as tongue or pin weight.

Tongue weight for travel trailers is typically 10%-15% of your total weight. Pin weight for fifth wheels is typically 20%-25% of your camper's total weight.

Now- there are different schools of thought when it comes to ratings. There was a big thread here a couple of weeks back discussing ratings. The long and short of it came to be that most ratings are "lawyer" imposed by the truck manufacturers vs. actually the breaking point. But, at the end of the day- each driver had to make a decision to stay within their published ratings or choose to exceed them knowingly.

My school of thought is that all of the ratings matter and none should be exceeded. For those that choose to exceed ratings, they have decided to look almost solely at tire and (rear usually) axle ratings to not be exceeded.

IMO, do the math based on the gross weight of the camper. This is the weight that you should never exceed (and hopefully never reach).

But please- don't just look at a truck that advertises X,000 pounds of towing capacity. That is only achievable with a 150 pound drive and literally nothing else in/on the truck.
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Thanks for all the replies; unfortunately the newest truck we can get right now is 2004 - 2006, saw some nice new ones at the auto show but $35K plus is out of our range right now.
I came to the same conclusion; I will probably exceed the CCC a little but not the GAWR or the Gross combined weight rating.
We won’t be looking at a bigger HTT any time soon, we went with the 23IKSS with the intent of getting our second trailer first, so far we love it, just can’t wait to get it out of the driveway.
We’ll have at least 4 people, me, wife and two sons 17 and 14.
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