Can 2010 Silverado 3500 tow Silverback

[matcheson]

Originally Posted by goduc

Payload for a 14-15 Ram 3500 SRW CCSB CTD is 4000lbs+. 11,700lb GVW. Plenty for any Silverback IMO. Jump up to a DRW and the payload goes to 5740lbs. Way overkill.

I'm unable to stretch for a 14 or 15 model . Was looking at the 2010, but it surprised me it fell short.

It seems the 2011 GMC 3500 6.6Duramax SRW, is up for the task, with payload above 4000lbs. also.

But is the 2011 edition reliable - I've seen buyers guide reports saying to stay away from 2011.

Many thanks for all the feedback.

[donniedu]

Maybe its time to start thinking of less trailer?
To those that think Im blowing smoke about weight numbers here is my numbers, not smoke, but actual scaled numbers!
Trailer 34CKTS GVWR of the trailer 13,750.
Scaled trailer weight 13,500
Scaled pin weight 3500
Advertised pin weight 1750
Truck 2007 Ram dually
Scaled empty 8000.
As you can see, I have an older version of the trailer in question.
Oh and FYI I started pulling this with a 2500 HD D/A. But quickly learned and understood overweight is not a lot of fun

[RubyDually]

Originally Posted by matcheson

But is the 2011 edition reliable - I've seen buyers guide reports saying to stay away from 2011.

2011 was the first year of SCR (Selective Catalytic Reduction) or the DEF system where some of the 2011's had problems with NOX sensors and/or DEF pump.

An update was done to the ECM too but I believe that was done though a recall so all of the 2011's should already be updated.

[MillerTime]

2011 models are when the gm hd models got the all new frame, different axles, def system, etc. Pretty much everything other than cab and bed different. Even ft bumper and grills changed.....thats easiest way to tell the difference between '07.5-'10's and '11-14s while on the street.
And i believe the '11s on up are better than the '07.5 - 10s, but im sure that is arguable!

[dicky1243]

The trk would pull it in a heart beat, but like you said the payload is a killer. I don't know if his numbers are right cause it the same trk as the dually without the extra-spring and 2 wheels. but engine no problem there alot of people running over weight my 06 dually runs over 10k but my trl. is only 15k loaded its a 42ft, Sierra BH.

[fvstringpicker]

Originally Posted by donniedu

Scaled pin weight 3500
Advertised pin weight 1750

That's a pretty healthy variation between the advertised pin weight and the actual pin weight. I was expecting maybe 300-500 lbs max.

[donniedu]

Originally Posted by fvstringpicker

That's a pretty healthy variation between the advertised pin weight and the actual pin weight. I was expecting maybe 300-500 lbs max.

Mostly IMHO because of three things,
1) FR is notorious for building pin heavy
2) the number is/was based on the brochures "dry" weight
And
3) we do not skimp. We have solar panels, satellite dish, washer/dryer combo, plus our clothes, 4 golf cart batteries and the rest of the stuff necessary to actually enjoy out time out.

[dicky1243]

Another good reason to have a dually

[TheRamaraos]

Matcheson


As a newbee myself, may I suggest that a value of 2,450lbs be used for the pin weight, the 1950 you posted plus 500 lbs to allow for 25% of the added options, water and cargo that would go into the trailer. Then add 220lbs for the hitch in the bed and allowance for passengers and cargo in the truck. It may add up to 3000lbs or so.


Check the difference between GVWR and curb weight of the TV. It should be at least 3000 lbs to allow for a margin of safety. The tires and Rear GAWR should not be an issue if the above math works, neither should be the GCWR of the TV - my guess.


My Silverado 3500HD Diesel can take 2900 of hitch weight, and that is due to the fact that I need room for 4 passengers, a dog and have a fully loaded (options) on the truck.

[matcheson]

A GMC I looked at was a dud so my last option before resolving to a dually is a 2009 F-350 SRW 6.4Diesel King Ranch.
The details seem higher then the Silverado
GVWR: 11500
FGawr : 6000
RGawr : 7000

Rated 15300 5th tow & GCWR 23000. As has been mentioned a factor is payload and without weighing i'm only guessing. (some estimate curb weight 6600+)

Am I close here or should I pack up and resort to a dually? I happy to be within limits, but don't want to be overloaded.

[asquared]

Originally Posted by matcheson

A GMC I looked at was a dud so my last option before resolving to a dually is a 2009 F-350 SRW 6.4Diesel King Ranch.
The details seem higher then the Silverado
GVWR: 11500
FGawr : 6000
RGawr : 7000

Rated 15300 5th tow & GCWR 23000. As has been mentioned a factor is payload and without weighing i'm only guessing. (some estimate curb weight 6600+)

Am I close here or should I pack up and resort to a dually? I happy to be within limits, but don't want to be overloaded.

The curb weight on this is probably not far off from my old 09 f250 crew cab long bed 4wd with the 6.4psd. Scaled weight was 8500 lbs. Be careful with the 6.0 and 6.4 Ford's as they have known issues. My 6.4 was one of the notorious smokers. I suggest spending some time on ford truck enthusiastslearning about these issues and what people do to bulletproof them.

[EXGMTech]

Originally Posted by matcheson

Can someone help with an calculated answer as to if a 2010 Silverado 3500 SRW CrewCab can tow a 2014 SilverBack 35QB4.

Plate on Silverado says:
GVWR: 9900lb.
Front: 4860#
Rear: 6390#

I can't confirm exact 5th wheel details yet but they are around
GVWR: 15500 - 15800#
Unloaded: 12176#
Hitch: 1840 - 1950#

I've been looking at the tow ratings, thinking that I need to keep within the limit of which trailer life 2010 tow guide says 14800# is limit.

I have also been following discussion about 2500 vs 3500's and some say 2500 can tow same as 3500. But in this guide they can tow more?

This doesn't seem to match up in reality, or am I reading this wrong. Any clarification welcome as I am looking to buy a truck asap.

I had a similar issue when I bought my diesel dually, tow rating was a measly 12000 lbs. For the life of me I could not figure out why so low. After doing some research I came to find out that # was the bumper pull rating. My actual 5er rating is 17500.
Maybe the same holds true for you?

[camper1999]

My 2011 GMC 2500 HD diesel has been a great truck. It has a payload of 3100 pounds. You actually can increase the payload of that year because the engine,trans,rear axle, and frame is the same as the 3500. You can add a leaf in the back or other suspension enhancement if you need it.

[TheRamaraos]

Macheson,


I did not look at the Silverbacks at the numbers were not working for my Silverado 3500HD. I believe that a dually may be a better bet for the Silverback.


With the Ford F350 SRW, 2009 Diesel Power Stroke King ranch, they tend to be at the higher end of the curb weight due to all the accessories and options.


Let us take each metric and see if the Ford can do the job.
First is the GCWR. Trailer weight 15,800 plus loaded truck weight ~8400 = 24,200. Will be a challenge as it exceeds 23,000 rating. Need to find a truck that has at least 25,000 GCWR.


Second is the TV GVWR = 11,500 lbs. To find out if the Ford can handle the weight of the king pin and the truck, let us add these two together. First is the available payload of the king pin. I note that the Curb weight of the Ford will be nearly 7,900 lbs and allowance for the hitch, some cargo and passengers will be an additional 450lbs bringing total to near 8,350 or 8,400 as above. Second the dry hitch weight of the Silverback is 1,900 lbs, and when loaded for travel with all the options thrown in, there could be an additional 500lbs of load, bringing total load of king pin to 2,400lbs. Therefore the total GVWR for the Ford will be nearly 10,900. Should be safe here.


Rear Axle Load rating for Ford - 7000 lbs. Note that we need to determine if this is enough. To find this, we take 45% of total vehicle weight and add weight of hitch and king pin load to see if the 7000 is adequate. In our calculation the vehicle weight without the hitch in the bed was 8200, so 45% is 3,690. Add 2400 King Pin and 200 for hitch for total of 6,290, well within load rating.


Only concern will be the GCWR for the Ford. All this is based on math, need to be verified with actual weighing, but helps think things through.


Others who have more insight welcome to chip in and verify my calculations.

[TheRamaraos]

Matcheson,


One add to the previous message. The GCWR assumes a fully loaded trailer when towing of 15,800. With the available capacity of 14,600, if the trailer is not loaded fully and can weigh in around 14,500, the F350 may be able to do the job.

[matcheson]

Originally Posted by TheRamaraos

Matcheson,
One add to the previous message. The GCWR assumes a fully loaded trailer when towing of 15,800. With the available capacity of 14,600, if the trailer is not loaded fully and can weigh in around 14,500, the F350 may be able to do the job.

Many thanks, those calculations were great.

I've decided to stick on the side of caution, and gone the way of a dually. Many thanks again for all the input.

[camper1999]

Originally Posted by matcheson

Many thanks, those calculations were great.

I've decided to stick on the side of caution, and gone the way of a dually. Many thanks again for all the input.

Just my opinion a dually is an over kill for a silverback. If you want to error on the side of caution I would go with a single rear wheels 350 or 3500. This may not apply to you but when we travel we use our truck to view the sites in the area and the occasional dinner out. You are very limited where you can park a dually. I considered a dually also because i really like them and they are cool. But we use the truck to drive around town at our vacation spots and it is hard enough finding a place to park with our 2500.

[ependydad]

Originally Posted by camper1999

This may not apply to you but when we travel we use our truck to view the sites in the area and the occasional dinner out. You are very limited where you can park a dually.

This just really isn't accurate (for me, at least). I've had my dually in many beach towns and most recently Key West. Width is very rarely the issue, length always was (crew cab & long bed truck). Height is almost as much of an issue in parking garages but again- it's not a width thing.

[MeepMeep]

Originally Posted by ependydad

This just really isn't accurate (for me, at least). I've had my dually in many beach towns and most recently Key West. Width is very rarely the issue, length always was (crew cab & long bed truck). Height is almost as much of an issue in parking garages but again- it's not a width thing.

I agree. We used our dually as a daily driver (and everything else vehicle) ever since we started full timing and have never incurred a serious parking situation. You DO have to make allowances for the size of the truck, but no more than, say if you were driving a large extended SUV or any truck with a crew cab and full bed......

[TheRamaraos]

I do believe that the dually width is not more than the SRW width with the standard towing mirrors, when measured mirror end to end. The DRW vs SRW width of 96 vs 80, is right where the mirrors are on the SRW. I believe not much difference if you learn how to handle the dually. I had to teach myself how to handle the longer wheel base while parking, but a cinch now.