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Old 02-16-2013, 09:54 PM   #1
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Can i tow a surveyor sport 295

Looking for friendly advice. I currently have a 2012 Ford F-150 Lariat 4X4 Super Crew Cab 145" wheelbase. I do not have the max tow package, just the standard tow package. Ford says I can tow 9600 lbs. My door sticker says my max payload should not exceed 1140 lbs The Surveyor Sport 295's dry weight is 5644 lbs and dry hitch weight is 575 lbs. In the TV would be myself, wife, and 2 sons (age 4 and 6). Can I tow this safely? Thanks in advance for the help.

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Old 02-17-2013, 12:28 AM   #2
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The limiting factor on your truck will be the payload capacity...with that F150 optioned out like a Lariat, there's not much payload left. That factory payload number is with full fuel and a 150# driver...add passengers and any gear, that payload will shrink fast. You could estimate what the extra weight would be and subtract that from 1140 lb. The other way is to weigh the truck loaded with paseengers and gear and subtract that number from the GVWR listed on the door jam (probably 7100 lbs).

The Surveyor Sport 295 has a dry weight of 5644 lbs and a GVWR of 7575 lbs. Tongue weights range from 10 to 15% of the total camper weight. Realistically, that camper loaded will be around 7000 lbs and a tongue between 700 - 1050 lbs. I think you most likely be exceeding your truck's GVWR with this camper.

Too bad it doesn't have the max towing option as the truck's GVWR would be 7600 lbs and this camper would just be at it's limit.

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Old 02-17-2013, 09:39 AM   #3
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I'll bump this thread up for you to get more opinions. It's pretty easy to get lost with the number of posts on here each day.

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Thanks, Dave appreciate the feedback and help.

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I have been pondering your situation and it is tough one. A couple of items to consider is adding about 75lbs for your WDH and that 15-25% of the tongue weight will be transferred to the trailer axles and won't be counted against your payload. Your TW will likely be in the 800lb range. If you load very little (or no) weight in the truck bed you may be able to make it work, but will certainly be right on the edge of truck's GVWR.
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In my owners manual, the driver is part of the payload.
Read your manual. I'm pretty sure yours is the same.
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In my owners manual, the driver is part of the payload.
Read your manual. I'm pretty sure yours is the same.
As I already mentioned a 150 lb driver is excluded from 1140 lb payload capacity. If there's been any dealer added equipment such as running boards, tonneau cover, etc., the payload number is even lower.

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Edit: This is why I mentioned that weighing the truck loaded with fuel, passengers and gear is the only way to determine available payload and $10 well spent at a CAT scale. You could get the front and rear axles weights at the same time and compare them to the FAWR/RAWR for the truck.
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You wrote;
"That factory payload number is with full fuel and a 150# driver"
To me that means you would start subtracting from the payload rating after the 150 lb driver is in the truck.
As you know, reading the manual is the best thing to do.
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The Surveyor Sport 295's dry weight is 5644 lbs and dry hitch weight is 575 lbs.
Your "wet and loaded" tongue weight is going to be about 650 to 700 lbs. That leaves you about 500 pounds to work with roughly. 250 pounds after wife and 2 kids? Throw in the hitch. Not a lot left over for stuff in the bed; e.g. generator, tools, bikes, cooler, etc

That being said, it is almost beyond belief that an F150 is at its limit with a Surveyor 295. . . . . So much depends on the configuration of the truck. My FX4 with Max Tow is theoretically 2,000 pounds payload. BUT, my truck weighs 6,030 after add-ons (side steps, sliding box lid, etc) so my ACTUAL payload is 1,700 (7,700 GVW rating). If you have some add-ons, this will further reduce your payload. Amazing isn't it?
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KATGAR05, I am looking at the same camper and have run the weights and limits on this camper with my truck. I also have a 2012 Lariat ecoboost with regular tow. I have also taken my truck and weighed it at a CAT scale full of fuel. It weighed in at 6060lbs. If you subtract that from the 7200lbs GVWR you get the exact payload listed on the door sticker 1140lbs. Now the dry tongue weight of the sp295 is 575lbs and with the trailer properly loaded it should be no more than 675lbs. I have two kids and a wife that weigh a total 240lbs. All of my gear will be loaded in the camper and not in my truck. Besides we only do weekend camping and do not pack very much. This leaves me under all the limits of my truck.

7200lbs GVWR
6060lbs Acutal truck weight with full gas tank
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1140 Payload limit
675 loaded hitch weight
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465lbs cargo/passengers

You CAN tow this trailer with proper loading and weight distribution.
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