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Old 01-25-2015, 04:06 PM   #21
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You should be OK with the proper weight distribution hitch and anti sway bar. Plus, as several folks has recommended, head for a scale just to be sure.
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Old 01-25-2015, 04:17 PM   #22
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This setup will be better than many I see on the road. I would be more concerned seeing a Chrysler 300 towing a 32 ft Airstream that the OP suggested combination.
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Old 01-25-2015, 04:24 PM   #23
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I learned in "math school" that if you plug a fluffy number into a formula, your resultant answer will be fluffy regardless of how many significant numbers accompany it in the calculation. The number you get from the 'ideal tongue weight is 13-15% of loaded trailer weigh' is a fluffy number and really fluffs up the resultant "answer". Further, I contend that stating "on average people tend to put 1000-1500lbs into their trailers" gives the appearance of accuracy in a number that one person probably cannot gain without doing a detailed poll and, if one did such a poll, one would receive wild guesses about how much the individual added to his/her own trailer, much less what "on average" others added. This weight added number is double-fluffy. Just my opinion - not stated as a fact.

To the OP, before you change your mind on which trailer to buy, please try to take at least some of the fluffiness out of your calculations.
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I learned in "math school" that if you plug a fluffy number into a formula, your resultant answer will be fluffy regardless of how many significant numbers accompany it in the calculation. The number you get from the 'ideal tongue weight is 13-15% of loaded trailer weigh' is a fluffy number and really fluffs up the resultant "answer". Further, I contend that stating "on average people tend to put 1000-1500lbs into their trailers" gives the appearance of accuracy in a number that one person probably cannot gain without doing a detailed poll and, if one did such a poll, one would receive wild guesses about how much the individual added to his/her own trailer, much less what "on average" others added. This weight added number is double-fluffy. Just my opinion - not stated as a fact.

To the OP, before you change your mind on which trailer to buy, please try to take at least some of the fluffiness out of your calculations.
Actually Mr Dan these average numbers are based upon numbers from people's actual loaded cat scale numbers. An average adjust that. Some will 've more, some will be less. If you rather, we can go with the full gvwr of the trailer which I'd even heavier but very few actually load to full tt gvwr. Also I can tell you from personal experience exactly how much it sucks and how unsafe towing over payload and under towing capacity can be. I will never ever be there again, nor will I ever make a recommendation that could land someone over on numbers as a result.

To the OP- good move looking smaller. Air bags and wdh for not increase your payload or towing capacity, they can help you tow it safer though. Air bags are designed to help level the truck out. Wdh redistributes some of the tongue weight off the rear axle and back onto the front axle and the trailer. The amount transferred is not going to be a lot and you also need to account for the weight of the wdh (these are not light).
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Actually Mr Dan these average numbers are based upon numbers from people's actual loaded cat scale numbers. An average adjust that.

If you are keeping track of everyone's actual loaded cat scale numbers, I accept your averages as decision- making information.

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Dear Fluffy Numbers - I posted my actual CAT scale results for a TT that dry, is only about 500 lbs. more than the 1st TT the OP was looking at. IMO that helps him to make an informed decision. We actually had to leave some stuff behind, like some plastic folding tables & extra firewood, so that we stay under the GCVW of our 3/4 ton.
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Dear Fluffy Numbers - I posted my actual CAT scale results for a TT that dry, is only about 500 lbs. more than the 1st TT the OP was looking at. IMO that helps him to make an informed decision. We actually had to leave some stuff behind, like some plastic folding tables & extra firewood, so that we stay under the GCVW of our 3/4 ton.
Mine were actual cat scale numbers too.
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The weight police say you can't pull a 5er with a 1/2T, but I've towed a 2008Flagstaff 831RLSS and a 2012 Flagstaff 8528RKWS over 70,000 miles combined with no problems so far. Could blow the whole rig next time I hook up, but so far, so good. Been thru the Smoky, Ozark and Appalachian mountains with no problems. Would not dream of trying the Rocky Mountains tho. I don't go 55mph up the mountains, but I can keep up with a lot of the semis and even pass a few. Just saying you don't have to have a 3/4T/1.5T diesel to go camping in a decent size trailer.
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The OP has 2 kids so you have to factor-in their weight & all the stuff they bring which includes bikes & other outdoor toys, the extra clothes & food for a week, and at some point typically a cousin/friend & their gear... IMO when you have a young, growing family you cannot start-out at max payload & expect to stay there every time you camp.

In comparison, this summer we camped next to a very nice retired couple who towed a 5er with their 1/2 ton that was slightly over payload & GCVW due to the hitch weight of the 5er. In the TV, it's just the two of them & some snacks. Nothing in the bed of the truck... To stay near max payload they purposefully pack light & buy their firewood & most groceries once in the area.

They liked the 5er floor plan, their current 1/2 ton was just-enough, and they are willing to pack light to make it work. However, this typically does not work for a young family and soon they are upgrading the TV to make it work.
That said, if the OP's family think they will upgrade the TV in a couple years, then they could pack light for a couple years until they can afford to replace the TV.
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I think the point "fluffy numbers" is trying to make is that cargo can vary greatly with each of us. It is very difficult, and not always accurate to assume that OP's cargo is going to be the same as yours or mine.

I know in my case I have never scaled more than #1000 beyond the yellow sticker. We have always brought what we need to have fun and be comfortable, never having to skimp.

I have recently downsized to a F150 from an F350, and am quite happy with my decision. The Ecoboost with "heavy tow" does a wonderful job safely towing my trailer.
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