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Old 05-16-2012, 12:23 AM   #1
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Change in hitch weight on toy haulers?

If I get a toy hauler and load 2 ATVs in the back, since they are behind the rear axle (mostly) do they wind up lightening the hitch weight at all? I'm visualizing a seesaw with the wheels/axles as the fulcrum. Weight in the back makes the front want to rise. Trying to visualize the WD hitch makes the vision go pretty fuzzy
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:32 AM   #2
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We have a 2008 Work and Play 18LT. It is a 6000 pound camper with 1000 pounds of tongue weight, (specified, not measured on scales). That is way more that the the 15% max ratio that most folks like to see, 10 to 15% tongue weight vs, trailer weight. Also, most toy haulers have the axle back a little farther than a normal camper, to compensate. If you tow it without the toys in the back, it will be heavier on the tongue, but should work fine. You won't put enough in the back to make the tongue too light.

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Old 05-16-2012, 01:35 AM   #3
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Thanks for the info. I'm not concerned about making it TOO light, but I do want to make it light enough. I need to fit within the payload of my Ram 1500. Some THs have a borderline tonque weight right off the bat, without anything on it. I've got 1340lbs - passengers (2 people, dog = 500), so I have 840 lbs to play with. Figuring in for gas and "stuff" I have 700 to 750 lbs I can take on the hitch. So I want to make sure I don't push it.

Also, any idea how much weight a WD hitch will effectively move off the hitch and back to the trailer?

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Old 05-16-2012, 02:24 AM   #4
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My toy hauler has the water tank in the front which weighs about 500 lbs. when full. I usually don't fill it up until I reach my last destination before going off road to play. It does add quite a bit more weight on the tongue. When I go off road for a couple of weeks I have 2 batteries and a couple propane tanks also on the hitch. When fully loaded like this I try to put the heaviest weighted machine in the back of the trailer and the lighter one in the middle to offset some of the extra weight on the tongue. Works for me so far.
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Old 05-16-2012, 10:34 AM   #5
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How much weight the toys take off the tongue will depend on the weight of the toys, and the configuration of the trailer. I haul 2 motorcycles, total about 1100 pounds. I load side by side, with the front wheels of the bikes on the front axle of the trailer, so my configuration takes very little off the tongue. Your mileage will be different. Sorry can't be much more help.
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Old 05-16-2012, 11:05 AM   #6
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I have a 21rr and was concerned about what would happen to the tongue weight also. I loaded my rzr and put it as far forward as I could and still get the refridgerator open. I drove 400 miles and never had any sway problems. I'm using the Andersen Hitch.
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:43 PM   #7
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Well, it takes SOMETHING off the tonque, so that's good. A TH with a 750 lb hitch weight that loses 50 or 100lbs off the tongue when loaded in the rear (side by side) would make a big difference.

Total weight would be 2 ATVS at 1400lbs total, short, so behind the axles, most likely.

All this said, maybe I need to trade my new Ram on a new F150 with cargo package. Darn thing just came out with crazy cargo ratings. Grrrr.
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If you are trying to haul 1400 pounds, that is going to be a long heavy trailer. Make sure and do the math, not only for the tongue weight, but for the Gross Combined Vehicle Weight, (GCVW), truck and trailer. Sounds like you are going to push the limits. Drive Safely.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:35 PM   #9
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Exactly why I'm posting here. I'm within all specs for GVWR and GCWR. It's just the hitch weight that's an issue. Someone needs to get all Calculus and Physics up in here.
The only thing I can think of is actually LOADING my gear into a trailer and going to weigh it, but chances are being able to do that BEFORE purchase are slim to none. Everything else is just estimation of some degree or another.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:52 PM   #10
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If you are buying it from a dealer they might have one of those hitch weight scales like this Sherline Trailer Tongue Weight Scales then you could load your atv's and see how much it changes, Most of the dealers will work with you pretty good until you pay for it anyway.
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