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Old 09-30-2015, 09:39 AM   #21
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I guess I'll go back and to the drawing board and tell the dealer I don't need Nav, asking for NAV eliminates 80-90% of the variable trucks and eliminate all the Tradesman trucks.
The Tradesman is where I will save money instead of the Big Horn. I'm retired now and live on a tight budge, we already have been preapproved for $45K for truck and $40k for trailer.
The more I spend on the ruck the less I can spend on the trailer so I got to keep to my budget. We will see what happens on my search today with the Tradesman. Almost everyone on the forum says once you go diesel you will never go back to gas.
Just out of curiosity what trailer are you looking at, I think you told me once....
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Old 09-30-2015, 09:48 AM   #22
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Our new trailer will be most likely the Open Range 319RLS 5th wheel or the Heritage Glen 272RLS Trailer. Kinda stuck between the 2. It will probably boil down to availabiltiy.
HG 272RL is hard to find, none in Arizona.
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Old 09-30-2015, 09:53 AM   #23
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Almost everyone on the forum says once you go diesel you will never go back to gas.


I had a Ram Laramie 5.7 gas truck that towed my 9000lb fiver with ease. Beautiful truck with all the bells and whistles. About 1 % of its use was for towing, the remainder was for daily commuting. Saw a great deal on a Ford 3/4 ton diesel and went for it. Had thoughts of upgrading the fiver, so I made the trade. Fuel mileage did not improve with the diesel. I hated that truck. Diesel prices were more expensive, oil changes were doubled in price and the truck rode like a tank as a daily commuter, even though it was a decked out Lariat FX4. I admit, it had power to spare, but I didn't use or need that power. My fiver got written off by the insurance company , due to snow/ice load this past winter. I sold the truck and then went back to a RAM Sport with 5.7 Hemi and I couldn't be happier. It tows my lighter weight TT with ease and it rides like a luxury boat when not towing. And to top it all off, I get better fuel mileage, both towing or just commuting. I am extremely happy with my RAM gasser.
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Old 09-30-2015, 10:04 AM   #24
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FWIW I can get a 2015 Ram CTD 2500 near me for $42,475. I bought my 12 Ram CTD 2500 CC LB from these guys for $36,000 and change in July of 2012.
I have 30,000 on my 12 with only one issue. The OEM TBC didn't work right. They replaced it under warranty. Works good now. JMO but I would never want to pull 12,000 lbs with a gasser. I live in Oregon and we have our fair share of hills and mtns. I tow 9000lbs and the CTD makes it easy. If I lived in TX or FL then a gasser would be adequate. I get 10.5-12.8 mpg towing running between 55-65 mph.


Heres a link 2015 Ram 2500 Tradesman For Sale | Gladstone ORto a truck near me.
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Old 09-30-2015, 10:17 AM   #25
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Might want to look at the Ford F-150 Eco-boost. It is rated to tow 12,000 lbs. Make sure it has the trailer package on it.

PS: It has to be the new Aluminum body Ford. My 2014 was the last year of the steel body and mine is rated to pull 11,300lbs.
This is the best gas towing engine on the market IMO. BUT, the HD payload package is a "must have" if a 5'er is in the mix. Payload is the issue.
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Old 09-30-2015, 10:28 AM   #26
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I been searching on-line for truck a couple years old still under factory warranty but have not found any (Chevy & Ram). I have search Craigslist, Autotrader, Gurucars, Cars.com and so on everyday. Found a couple use ones but were just as much as a new one with the discounts added from dealers.
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Old 09-30-2015, 10:36 AM   #27
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Neither of the OP's trailers he's thinking of would weigh 12,000lbs. GVW on the 319RLS is 10,400lbs and the HG 272 is 9645lbs. A gasser would work for either. Save the $9000 for the CTD and get a nicer 6.4.
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Old 09-30-2015, 11:07 AM   #28
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The OP 319RLS is dry weigh of 10,400 and 12,000 with cargo.
It's not about pulling the weight, it's all about if you can stop going down the road.
If I lived in Florida I could probably pull it with my Subaru : )
Secondly, if you decide to upgrade your trailer to a bigger and heavier one, you start the process all over getting bigger truck. All the info I see on the interest says 50% of all trucks and trailers are over their max towing weights.
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The Light | Fifth Wheels | LF319RLS | Highland Ridge RV
Says Gross Axle Weight 10,400 on this page. Dry axle is 7280 and pin 1235. That's 8515lbs dry. 2480 for CCC. That's 10,995. Not sure how they get 10,400 GVW but it's not 12,000 either.
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The OP 319RLS is dry weigh of 10,400 and 12,000 with cargo.
It's not about pulling the weight, it's all about if you can stop going down the road.
If I lived in Florida I could probably pull it with my Subaru : )
Secondly, if you decide to upgrade your trailer to a bigger and heavier one, you start the process all over getting bigger truck. All the info I see on the interest says 50% of all trucks and trailers are over their max towing weights.
Great thinking...always buy the truck keeping in mind if & when you may upgrade to heavier RV...you'll never regret too much truck but will always regret too little truck!...and it's a hassle and pocket book hit to upgrade trucks early in your ownership ÷)



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Might want to look at the Ford F-150 Eco-boost. It is rated to tow 12,000 lbs. Make sure it has the trailer package on it.

PS: It has to be the new Aluminum body Ford. My 2014 was the last year of the steel body and mine is rated to pull 11,300lbs.
That kinda broad statement since my 5er weights in at 11,380 lbs and pin weight is 2740. Added in 200 for hitch - 250 for passengers that over 3200 payload. Those are scale weights and I have the tickets.
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got that right. My towing and non towing mileage both increased by 50% when I switched to diesel 2 years ago. From 7.5 to 11-12 towing. From 10-12 to 16-20 not towing.
And how many years do you think it will take to recoup the cost of the $8200 spent on the diesel? A bunch and looks like his trips will be minimal.

I have a 2015 2500 chevy and when not towing I get 18 to 19 mpg. Towing I get 9.4 so I'm happy and I usally tow around 6000 miles a year. Later RJD
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And how many years do you think it will take to recoup the cost of the $8200 spent on the diesel? A bunch and looks like his trips will be minimal.

I have a 2015 2500 chevy and when not towing I get 18 to 19 mpg. Towing I get 9.4 so I'm happy and I usally tow around 6000 miles a year. Later RJD
I will probably recoup about half the price of diesel when I sell the truck. I figure the rest is wash except my gin will towing is worth the other half. I didn't get into RVing to recoup anything. If I did I would bought tent and Prius LOL
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Old 09-30-2015, 11:45 AM   #34
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Diesel only / the difference is night and day been there done that. Diesel take all the stress out of towing / better economy
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Old 09-30-2015, 11:51 AM   #35
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Go diesel. I had a 2011 Silverado 2500HD gas that, to me, struggled to pull our 7000lb camper. I got a 2013 2500HD diesel for under 45K and LOVE it. The difference in pulling ability and tow comfort is HUGE. Get a 2011 or newer Duramax/Allison that is stock, you will not regret it. My .02 worth.
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Old 09-30-2015, 12:03 PM   #36
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Well I tried to buy a new 2015 RAM 2500 Diesel the cost was just out of reach for me.
If I choose to down size to a Chevy 2500 big V8 gas or a Ram 2500 big V8 gas, will wither of these be capable of towing my 10,000lb dry/12000lb GVW?
The trailer will be a 5th wheel.

The Diesel for around $50k but I can get the big V8 for $44K. Help!
Where are you from? Find a volume dealer luke Dave Smith or Dennis Dillon in ID and you can step into a tradesman with WA cummins and a few amenities for 43-46k.

I bought my 2015 6.4 hemi when there was only 2500 cash back and paid 40k for 4x4 Bighorn with backup camera and a lot of nice features. Dave Smith will even pick you up at the Spokane airport. D.S. is also a GM dealer.

Food for thought, if going diesel you might want to look into a 3500 SRW for that extra payload. Most decent sized 5er will max your payload on a 2500 diesel.
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Old 09-30-2015, 12:04 PM   #37
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Well I tried to buy a new 2015 RAM 2500 Diesel the cost was just out of reach for me.
If I choose to down size to a Chevy 2500 big V8 gas or a Ram 2500 big V8 gas, will wither of these be capable of towing my 10,000lb dry/12000lb GVW?
The trailer will be a 5th wheel.

The Diesel for around $50k but I can get the big V8 for $44K. Help!
I know this is sort of like comparing Apples to bigger Apples but I'd go with the RAM. While I settled on the RAM 1500, I test drove a GMC Sierra, Silverado, and Ford F-150. Hands down, the RAM just felt better all around, fit and finish, larger engine to boot. So even though it is Apples (1500) to bigger Apples (2500) I'd say RAM based on what I experienced on the half ton test drives I did. Granted you are pulling more weight (I am at about 6500) so your ride may feel different.
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I just price several 2012 used trucks with and without diesel and according to NADA a used 2012 truck with diesel adds 8,225 dollars to the used price of the truck.

2008 truck with the diesel options added 6075.00 over a gas engine. Not bad.

2000 truck with the diesel options added 3725.00 over a gas engine.
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Old 09-30-2015, 12:32 PM   #39
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The new truck will also be my daily driver and towing a 5th wheel will probably be once a month.
After reading over this thread it seems my situation is simmilar to yours. Daily driver vs towing needs. I have a 2011 gas Silverado 2500 that pulls a Flagstaff 5er. It does the job needed. A diesel would get me better milage and a better towing experience but I could not justify the expense of a diesel being a weekender. Someday the DW and I plan to be at least part-timers. When that time gets closer, we have already decided that a heavier 5er and diesel truck will be in order.
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Bite the bullet and go diesel. The gas will struggle on hills at redline.
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