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Old 07-08-2012, 07:33 PM   #1
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Chevy 2500HD & Cardinal 3030RS

I am thinking about purchasing a Cardinal 3030RS. I currently own a 2010 Chevy 2500HD with a Duramax & Allison combo. If I am reading my truck owners manual correctly I can tow a trailer with a maximum weight of 13,900 lbs and a hitch weight of < 3500 lbs. The Cardinal has a dry weight of 11,400 lbs and a gross weight (GVWR) of 14550 lbs. The cargo capacity of 3176 lbs and a hitch weight of 2550 lbs.

My question, I know that I am going to be on the ragged edge nearing the capacity of my truck - am I making a mistake going with this large of a 5th wheel? Does anybody have a similar combination that can give me some feedback.

Looking through the brochures of various manufacturers, I see cargo capacities vary between 1500 lbs and nearly 4000 lbs. Being new to all of this, I am not sure how much cargo I would actually carry? Does anybody know kind of an average cargo weight one could expect with a genset, food, clothing, pots, pans & etc. etc. The Cardinal has a 77 gal water tank, so I know there is some variability in the amount of water that I can haul.

I appreciate any help on these questions.
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Old 07-08-2012, 08:08 PM   #2
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OCF Check your book again, I think your max towing is around 16000-17000 with the Duramax. What are the max weights listed on the door jamb? What does your truck and each axle weigh? IMHO i think you will hit and be over max gross weight before you hit any max axle weight with a tounge weight of 2500 lbs. You may be over vehicle gross weight before loading anything in the camper. Post some more info and I'm sure people will jump in and give you there opinion some will run the numbers too. Check out this web site and check out their weight calculator.

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Old 07-08-2012, 08:56 PM   #3
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I can see where you are getting 16K-17K from the Chevy owners manual; however, if you go to the Duramax owners manual, it will give you the higher weight limits -max trailer weight of 13,900 lbs and GCWR of 22,000 lbs.

The label on the door states:

GVWR 9200 lbs
GAWR FRT 4860 lbs
GAWR RR 6084 lbs

I am not sure how much the truck weighs?

I should mention the truck is a 4x4, crew cab, short box.
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Old 07-08-2012, 11:45 PM   #4
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With a GVWR of 9200, even the dry pin weight of 2550 lbs will put you over. You don't really think that your truck, ready to camp weighs less than 6650 lbs. The only way to know is to weigh your truck ready to camp full of fuel...note front/rear axles weights.

That camper's pin weight loaded will be well over the truck's GVWR but may be under it's RAWR. Loaded pin weight may be closer to 3000 lbs.

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Old 07-09-2012, 05:49 AM   #5
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I have a 2007 2 wheel drive long bed with a Duramax with the same GVWR. With me, wife, full tank fuel, hitch installed and tail gate removed it weighs 7300 lbs. Thats leaves 1900 lbs of pin weight I have to play with. The setup your talking about your about 600 lbs over before loading. Good Luck
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:13 PM   #6
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My 06 2500HD Silverado 4x4 Duramax CC weights 7300lbs with hitch in the back, sitting on scale with nobody inside, 1/2 tank fuel.t an FYI for ya
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I have an 2011 F250, CC, diesel, RWD, longbed and when I was looking for a 5er, I desided that the lightest Cardinal 5er was to heavy for my truck. My F 250 is rated at 10,000 lbs and what the pin weight would have added would make it to heavy.
I ended up with a V-Cross 275 which has a limit of 9,950 lbs. I am happy with the V-Cross.
A lot of folks that I know with heavy 5ers have 1 ton duallies to tow them.
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I have an 2011 F250, CC, diesel, RWD, longbed and when I was looking for a 5er, I desided that the lightest Cardinal 5er was to heavy for my truck. My F 250 is rated at 10,000 lbs and what the pin weight would have added would make it to heavy.
I'm not sure where you got that rating from, but it's incorrect. Your truck is rated at 14000 lbs convetional towing and 16200 lbs fifth wheel towing.

Here's a link to the Ford towing guide... https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/...%20Pickups.pdf

To note, you'll run out of payload capacity before you ever approach it's towing capacity. The only way to know your true payload capacity is to weigh the truck, full fuel, people, gear, ready to camp. The payload available for pin weight would be the truck's GVWR less the weight of the truck. If you look at payload by using the truck's RAWR, it'll be 1000+ lbs more.

There's lot's of fivers that you could tow. I'm guessing that a pin weight of 1800 lbs or more will put the truck over it's GVWR (10000 lbs?). A pin weight of around 2800 (maybe more) before you hit the RAWR limit. Lots of people with 3/4 T diesels towing over the truck's GVWR but under the RAWR.

You'd have to decide if you're comfortable with that.

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I can see where you are getting 16K-17K from the Chevy owners manual; however, if you go to the Duramax owners manual, it will give you the higher weight limits -max trailer weight of 13,900 lbs and GCWR of 22,000 lbs.

The label on the door states:

GVWR 9200 lbs
GAWR FRT 4860 lbs
GAWR RR 6084 lbs

I am not sure how much the truck weighs?

I should mention the truck is a 4x4, crew cab, short box.

You have the same limits as my truck.

The problem you will have is the same problem I have.
I can TOW more camper than I can "carry."

The 9200 pound GVWR is the real problem. This was fixed in the 2011 and up models when they boxed the frame and increased the GVWR to 10,200 pounds.

With my family wife and I with 60 pound dog, 2x5 gallon plastic cans of diesel, hitch and generator we weigh 7800 pounds. That leaves 1400 pounds available for the pin weight.

The Max 5th wheel weight is 15,200 pounds for our truck.

However, the pin weight MUST fall between 15% and 25% of the fully loaded camper weight for safe handling.

A 1400 pound pin at 15% (minimum pin load) is a 9400 pound camper maximum.

It only gets worse if you load the pin heavier. Believe it or not, you can tow a LOT more travel trailer; than 5th wheel.

Weigh your truck with a full tank of gas and what you expect to carry in the truck. Add 150 pounds for a hitch.

Take that number and subtract it fro m 9200 pounds.

Divide THAT number by 0.15 for a camper weight at minimum pin
Divide by 0.20 for a max camper weight at "optimum" pin
Divide that number by 0.25 for a max camper weight at it's heaviest safe loading.
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I'm not sure where you got that rating from, but it's incorrect. Your truck is rated at 14000 lbs convetional towing and 16200 lbs fifth wheel towing.

Here's a link to the Ford towing guide... https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/...%20Pickups.pdf

To note, you'll run out of payload capacity before you ever approach it's towing capacity. The only way to know your true payload capacity is to weigh the truck, full fuel, people, gear, ready to camp. The payload available for pin weight would be the truck's GVWR less the weight of the truck. If you look at payload by using the truck's RAWR, it'll be 1000+ lbs more.

There's lot's of fivers that you could tow. I'm guessing that a pin weight of 1800 lbs or more will put the truck over it's GVWR (10000 lbs?). A pin weight of around 2800 (maybe more) before you hit the RAWR limit. Lots of people with 3/4 T diesels towing over the truck's GVWR but under the RAWR.

You'd have to decide if you're comfortable with that.

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