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Old 04-29-2014, 12:20 PM   #31
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Wow ton of good info here. I'm pretty much sold on the truck, even with a payload of 1212. We don't plan on going with a bigger TT anytime soon, and coming from tent camping, we don't have a whole bunch of stuff to begin with. Anything we need to load, can be put in the trailer itself. I'll have to pay close attention to the tongue weight and of course get the truck weighed with everything in it. I'm kind of surprised estimates of actual tongue weight is so high with some of these posts. Propane and batteries really that heavy?
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Old 04-29-2014, 12:35 PM   #32
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I'm kind of surprised estimates of actual tongue weight is so high with some of these posts. Propane and batteries really that heavy?
Yeah - our two group 24 batteries are 46 lbs ea, and each propane tank holds 20 lbs, so that is 132 lbs that is mostly on the tongue. And depending on how you load your gear, you would probably have 12-15% of the weight of the gear on the tongue. So if you load 750 lbs in the trailer, that can easily be 100 lbs.

I think if you estimate where you'll be, this truck should look fine on paper. Then getting an actual scale weight once you have your tt will really help you get the load distributed properly so you stay within the ratings.
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Old 04-29-2014, 01:22 PM   #33
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I'll throw this out there just to confuse you further. Don't go just on the load ratings. What I'm saying is this- let's say you are running 15% tongue weight but are over 200 pounds on the GVWR of the truck. You shift weight to the rear of the trailer by moving gear in the camper and also from the back of the truck. You are now 50lbs. under GVWR and running 10% tongue weight. However, you now have more sway and the truck feels less "planted". My personal opinion would be to run the truck slightly over and I would argue you are in fact safer by doing so. Either way you are handling and stopping the same amount of weight, why shift it into a position that is less stable???? Just understand that towing and safety is MUCH more complex than simply being under some numbers. I still stand by my original position that the combo you propose will be a piece of cake.
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Old 04-29-2014, 01:31 PM   #34
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Initially that's what I thought, but I also swore I read that hitch weight and weight of passengers counts against payload. Can't seem to find the stuff I read though.
Exactly...payload is the total of all passengers,stuff in the bed of the truck and the hitch weight of your trailer.
What most dealers decide to ignore and tell everyone...half ton towable...and giving the DRY weight as actual weight
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Old 04-29-2014, 02:13 PM   #35
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I'm sure I'll be fine with this TV. It's what I'm looking for as far as truck and I can't seem to find any max tow pkgs anywhere that are within my budget. Just waiting for the wife to give the final ok and I'll pull the trigger.
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When we moved from an expedition to a silverado 4door and nothing else changed I noticed a few 'changes' from the drivers seat.
Old TV - GCWR was 12.500. It had E (10 ply) tires and 236,000 miles.
New TV had GCWR of 14,500, P rated (4 ply) tires, no miles, and 24" more WB.

Old truck had plenty of power. New one has more, but the old one could accelerate up 9% grades to 70mph.
The longer WB made adjusting the load bars more challenging..if you think about what they're acutally doing you can understand why. I could probably go for the next size up in bars.
The new truck feels like it's squirming on the P tires. Like riding on 4 jiggly blobs of jello.
Don't notice much else being different. Might be a tad easier to backup..could just be me getting more experienced.
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The WB on this is 157" and has a 6.5' bed. I'm also thinking of lifting the TV I get 2-4", so that will make some changes as well. Oh boy...
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lifting it isn't advisable...all sorts of things change, and none of them for the better.
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I'm sure I'll be fine with this TV. It's what I'm looking for as far as truck and I can't seem to find any max tow pkgs anywhere that are within my budget. Just waiting for the wife to give the final ok and I'll pull the trigger.
I ran into the same thing. No one wants to deal on Max Tow package trucks like they will non- MaxTow. You will likely have the IBC. Add tow mirrors and you've got what you need from the MaxTow anyway(except the sticker). Some will try to argue that the frame is different, axles are different and so on but I've yet to find any evidence of it. There is a slight difference in the hitch, but that has nothing to do with payload. Cooling systems are the same on the EB trucks as well. My truck with 20" wheels has the same springs- I think the 18" wheel trucks have a different spring code than the MaxTow versions. MaxTow IIRC has 3.73 gears- as long as you make sure you are getting at least the 3.55's you'll never know the difference with a 6 speed tranny. You'll also run across several people on the net that don't know the difference in the MaxTow and HD Payload packages. There are some differences in the axle, springs, wheels and tires on the HD Payload package.
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Old 04-29-2014, 03:22 PM   #40
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Well I had the dealer send me a pic of the yellow sticker on the Roo 19 and the dry weight is 3486 with cargo up to 1220. We're also looking at the Roo 231kss and he's going to send me the yellow sticker on that as well. This truck should be fine with either of these I'm thinking.
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