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Old 04-30-2014, 07:00 PM   #71
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My subtraction is way off !!! I will make a correction.
I thought it looked funny lol. I'm planning on taking the truck to the scale on Fri. sometime to see what my number actually is.
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Old 04-30-2014, 07:08 PM   #72
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We tow a Roo 183 which will probably be comparable to the 19. Ram 1500, full tank of fuel, firewood, bikes, DW and myself and we still weigh in under the GVWR and GCVWR with room to spare.

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Old 05-01-2014, 11:19 AM   #73
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I need some clarification on the tongue weight. I understand that it should be 10-13% of GVWR, but is that number static? Say the TT is 6536 GVWR, so tongue weight is ~850lbs. But what if I load my trailer and I'm only at 6000 lbs. Does my tongue weight now change to 10-13% of what my actual load is, ie ~780 lbs now?

EDIT: And tongue weight based on the GVWR also would include any batteries/propane since I'm counting the gross right?
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:23 AM   #74
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I need some clarification on the tongue weight. I understand that it should be 10-13% of GVWR, but is that number static? Say the TT is 6536 GVWR, so tongue weight is ~850lbs. But what if I load my trailer and I'm only at 6000 lbs. Does my tongue weight now change to 10-13% of what my actual load is, ie ~780 lbs now?

EDIT: And tongue weight based on the GVWR also would include any batteries/propane since I'm counting the gross right?
Yes and yes. Where you place the weight in the trailer will also effect the tongue weight. 10-15% is the range, with 12.5% being optimal.
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:25 AM   #75
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Thanks for the quick reply!
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:38 AM   #76
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Here's my setup just before hitching up for a long trip. Think I'll be OK with my 1100 pound tongue weight

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Old 05-01-2014, 12:00 PM   #77
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Dealer came back with the following:

Roo 19 dry 3635, gross 4779
231kss 5207 dry, 6536 gross.

I think I'd be fine with either of these trailers. Maybe I should start a new thread with these numbers?
We have the 23IKSS. Love the extra space and the big kitchen. Lots to like about this, and a big difference in living space over the 19.

I did take ours to the scale. I did not do the full blown 3 trips over the scale to get all the weights, but I weighed the rig pretty close to fully loaded, so it will give you an idea what kind of weight to use for an estimate:

trailer axles: 5250
tongue: 775
total loaeded trailer: 6025

I didn't have a lot of time, so instead of un-hooking to weigh the truck, I used a scale ticket from a trip to the landfill to estimate the truck weight.

This tongue weight put my F-150 right at the GVWR. Truck has a payload capacity of 1,500 and tow rating of 7300 (interestingly, the 18" wheels reduce the tow capacity by 1,000 lbs over the 17" wheels). Yellow sticker on the trailer is 5200. We have 2 batteries, plus propane on the tongue. We don't have the trailer stuffed full, but we have a pretty good amount of 'stuff.' This setup tows really well.
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We have the 23IKSS. Love the extra space and the big kitchen. Lots to like about this, and a big difference in living space over the 19.

I did take ours to the scale. I did not do the full blown 3 trips over the scale to get all the weights, but I weighed the rig pretty close to fully loaded, so it will give you an idea what kind of weight to use for an estimate:

trailer axles: 5250
tongue: 775
total loaeded trailer: 6025

I didn't have a lot of time, so instead of un-hooking to weigh the truck, I used a scale ticket from a trip to the landfill to estimate the truck weight.

This tongue weight put my F-150 right at the GVWR. Truck has a payload capacity of 1,500 and tow rating of 7300 (interestingly, the 18" wheels reduce the tow capacity by 1,000 lbs over the 17" wheels). Yellow sticker on the trailer is 5200. We have 2 batteries, plus propane on the tongue. We don't have the trailer stuffed full, but we have a pretty good amount of 'stuff.' This setup tows really well.
Interesting. This helps alot. My payload is less by about 300lbs, but my tow rating is 50 lbs more than yours. How does that work? lol I'm sure I'll be fine with this trailer. I'd be a few hundred pounds over payload, but that shouldn't be too bad.
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Interesting. This helps alot. My payload is less by about 300lbs, but my tow rating is 50 lbs more than yours. How does that work?
I can't figure out how the ratings work - too many combinations. And with mine being an '05, who knows what they might have changed.

I just weighed the thing after the hitch was setup to level everything because I wanted to see if the trailer was over weight. My DW and I have different philosophies about how much to pack . The trailer was well under, but I was a little surprised that truck was about at its max rating. Tows great though, so I was satisfied. DW saw the scale ticket and said she upset - she had wasted at least 2-300 pounds of capacity in the trailer (behind the axles, of course...)
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I need some clarification on the tongue weight. I understand that it should be 10-13% of GVWR, but is that number static? Say the TT is 6536 GVWR, so tongue weight is ~850lbs. But what if I load my trailer and I'm only at 6000 lbs. Does my tongue weight now change to 10-13% of what my actual load is, ie ~780 lbs now?

EDIT: And tongue weight based on the GVWR also would include any batteries/propane since I'm counting the gross right?
Any weight added or subtracted obviously is going to be partly on the axles and partly on the tongue. As long as you are not putting a really heavy item behind the axles or at the very front of the hitch you are probably going to stay in that 10-15% range by default. Any significant added weight I try to put just slightly forward of the axles.
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