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Old 05-14-2013, 02:04 PM   #1
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Data From Scales / Help Needed

I took the camper out for the very first time this past weekend with the grand finale being a stop at the scales. I weighed the TV back in January right after purchase. I could really use some help with this data. I am trying to find the following information:

1. Tongue Weight
2. What Is The Actual Weight I Should Use For Determining my GVWR of the HTT
2. Other Relevant Information That I Should Know
3. Suggestions

I now realize that I should have had my TV fully loaded in one of my weighs as it would have helped determine how my axle weight is doing. Sounds like another trip Iíll have to do that. We also were dispersed camping and did our local state forest some good by hauling out a bunch of garbage. Four large bags of garbage and refuse that weighed around 100 lbs and that shows up in the scales. We had the bags over the axles when we weighed and originally had them near the front of the camper but it affected the tow in a way I didnít like (chugging fwd and back action). Once we adjusted that garbage the two dramatically improved.

TV:
GVWR: 8600
GAWR: FRONT 4100
REAR 5360
GCWR: 14,000
TOWING CAPACITY: 8300

HTT:
GVWR: 5964

#1 TOW VEHICLE
(No Passengers. No Cargo. Full Tank of Gas)
SCALES:
FRONT 3460
REAR 3380
TOTAL: 6840

#2 TOW VEHICLE & HTT (WITH WDH)
TV (No Passengers. No Cargo. Half Tank of Gas)
HTT (Full Load of Cargo. 43 Gallons Water (Including 6 Gallons Hot Water Heater)
SCALES:
FRONT 3400
REAR 4040
HTT 5380
TOTAL 12,820

#3 TOW VEHICLE & HTT (W/O WDH)
TV (No Passengers. No Cargo. Half Tank of Gas)
HTT (Full Load of Cargo. 43 Gallons Water (Including 6 Gallons Hot Water Heater)
SCALES:
FRONT 3000
REAR 4660
HTT 5160
TOTAL 12,820

#4 HTT
HTT (Tonge on One Scale and Axles on Second)
SCALES:
TONGUE: 920
AXLES: 4980
TOTAL: 5900
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Old 05-14-2013, 02:24 PM   #2
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I took the camper out for the very first time this past weekend with the grand finale being a stop at the scales. I weighed the TV back in January right after purchase. I could really use some help with this data. I am trying to find the following information:

1. Tongue Weight
2. What Is The Actual Weight I Should Use For Determining my GVWR of the HTT
2. Other Relevant Information That I Should Know
3. Suggestions

I now realize that I should have had my TV fully loaded in one of my weighs as it would have helped determine how my axle weight is doing. Sounds like another trip Iíll have to do that. We also were dispersed camping and did our local state forest some good by hauling out a bunch of garbage. Four large bags of garbage and refuse that weighed around 100 lbs and that shows up in the scales. We had the bags over the axles when we weighed and originally had them near the front of the camper but it affected the tow in a way I didnít like (chugging fwd and back action). Once we adjusted that garbage the two dramatically improved.

TV:
GVWR: 8600
GAWR: FRONT 4100
REAR 5360
GCWR: 14,000
TOWING CAPACITY: 8300

HTT:
GVWR: 5964

#1 TOW VEHICLE
(No Passengers. No Cargo. Full Tank of Gas)
SCALES:
FRONT 3460
REAR 3380
TOTAL: 6840

#2 TOW VEHICLE & HTT (WITH WDH)
TV (No Passengers. No Cargo. Half Tank of Gas)
HTT (Full Load of Cargo. 43 Gallons Water (Including 6 Gallons Hot Water Heater)
SCALES:
FRONT 3400
REAR 4040
HTT 5380
TOTAL 12,820

#3 TOW VEHICLE & HTT (W/O WDH)
TV (No Passengers. No Cargo. Half Tank of Gas)
HTT (Full Load of Cargo. 43 Gallons Water (Including 6 Gallons Hot Water Heater)
SCALES:
FRONT 3000
REAR 4660
HTT 5160
TOTAL 12,820

#4 HTT
HTT (Tonge on One Scale and Axles on Second)
SCALES:
TONGUE: 920
AXLES: 4980
TOTAL: 5900
Great job at the scales. You are several steps ahead of most people.

I would load that trailer and van up (including the family, pets etc.) the way you would to go camping and check at the scales one more time.

Is your trailer level when you are sitting on flat ground?

How does the steering feel?

Do you have some pics of your setup?

I'm sure many will have opinions on your numbers...

cheers,
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Old 05-14-2013, 02:54 PM   #3
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1. Your tongue weight is 820 lbs. (Van 7660 lbs. with trailer and without spring bars, minus. 6840 lbs. of truck solo).

2. Looks like the 5900 lbs. of the trailer is close to your GVWR of 5964 lbs.

It looks like you are getting good weight distributing with that setup

Great job in getting your weights !!

When getting weights, is usually better to be ready for camping, but you have a good baseline. When doing a set of weights, always have passengers and cargo at in the same position every time across the scales.
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Old 05-14-2013, 03:08 PM   #4
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Something ain't perexactly right with those tickets. The trailer weighs in at 5900 lbs., and the van at 6840 lbs. equaling 12,740 lbs. The combined weight ticket is 12, 820 lbs. Where were the spring bars during each weight ??

Also, the individual tongue weight of the trailer on the scales, differs from the calculated weight by 100 lbs.
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The problem is the weight of the TV only was several months prior. any number of things could be in the TV when run across the scales later hence the difference in weight.

With a total weight of 5900 pounds, your tongue weight on the HTT is a little high. I am not sure how the 100 pounds of garbage would affect that.

The great news is you have basically the same weight on your steer axle as empty. that is perfect.
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:01 PM   #6
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The problem is the weight of the TV only was several months prior. any number of things could be in the TV when run across the scales later hence the difference in weight.

With a total weight of 5900 pounds, your tongue weight on the HTT is a little high. I am not sure how the 100 pounds of garbage would affect that.

The great news is you have basically the same weight on your steer axle as empty. that is perfect.
Would think if the wdh is doing it's thing, the front axle should be a little heavier than when empty otherwise the load is all on the rear axle. Just my thoughts. I always measured the wheel openings without air in the airbags, the front and back always was less loaded (wdh engaged) than empty. Front about 1/4"-3/8" lower and rear about 3/8"-1/2" with wdh engaged. Would pump airbags enough to get rear back to normal and front would stay @ 1/4" to 3/8". Might not have been right, but for a tt, they all towed just fine.

BTW, the front measurements are close to the same with the 5er with the rear dropping about 1"-1-1/2" which I get back with the airbags in the rear and the front remains 1/4"-3/8" lower.
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:19 PM   #7
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Here we goÖ.
I made a couple mistakes that are throwing the numbers off. I should have weighed the TV by itself on Sunday along with the other weighs.

1. I am using a weight for the TV from when I first purchased the vehicle.
2. When did the weight w/o the bars I set the bars next to the scale.

I need to probably do this all over again because that tongue weight seems awfully high to me. Oh well. It was a busy day Sunday and I got in as many weighs as possible. The co-pilot wanted to get home asap and it was after all mothers day and it was turning into a time consuming ordeal and to be honest if I would have asked for one more weigh (TV Solo) there might have been a mutiny. As far as passengers we will have different amounts of passengers depending on what trip we are taking. So that is going to be hard to get a consistent number. AnyhowÖthis probably gave me some insight into my situation but I made some errors which will throw off the numbers and the biggest being I needed a weight of the TV that day solo. Am I right?
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The problem is the weight of the TV only was several months prior. any number of things could be in the TV when run across the scales later hence the difference in weight.
Ah, I didn't notice the date difference, which makes a big difference. If the weights are not done all with the same load at the same time, then much is speculation, including whether the WDH is setup properly.
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:25 PM   #9
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One more thought...
About a month ago I was having trouble getting the WDH setup properly. I was in contact with Blue Ox customer support and they told me to higher the ball two notches and add more chains as they wanted to see more bend in those bars. At the time I did measurements before and after setting up the WDH. They said that all looked fine but then those were numbers with an empty TV and empty HTT as I hadnt even loaded it up yet. I am learning that getting a good setup takes lots of time finding that sweet spot. Also, if my cargo is different on different trips as well as passengers in the TV that is going to throw things off. Lots to think about. I am all new to this WDH thing as I just moved up from a popup. The good news is that it towed fantastic. I was less than an hour from home but wanted to get some miles under the belt before I do a five hour trip on Memorial Day weekend. Any input is extremely welcome and helpful. Thank you.
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:42 AM   #10
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There are several files in the Library (Towing area) on how to read weight tickets and how to weigh your campers.

Click on "Library" on the green menu bar and select the towing area.
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