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Old 03-23-2019, 09:37 PM   #1
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Decided to get a 2500...now which year to get? Wait for a '19?

We have landed on trading in the F150 3.5 Max tow cc in on a HD truck.
Pulling our 7600 lb Rockwood TT, the 3.5 Eco pulls it very well, it is pretty unstable also. Loaded, I have about 50 lbs payload leftover. We have debated getting a 3P or Hensley hitch as well as other upgrades to the F150, but I think the HD truck is the best option.

95% sure it will be a Ram 2500, GASSER. Diesel is not an option, so may as well not even mention it.
I have test drove a F250, Ram 2500 6.4, and have not tested a GMC/Chevy 2500 yet. I am not a big fan of some of the features, or lack there of on the GM trucks compared to the other 2.

The Ram was by far my favorite over the Ford, both in features and unloaded ride quality. IT also doesn't feel as "big" which it isn't.

So I am starting to look around at Ram 2500 cc 6.4, and am considering lighting used or new 2018. Dealers around here have pretty good deals on new ones (starting 10k off) so it makes them pretty close to a lightly used '16/17 model.

So here are my questions on your opinion.
The new 2019 Rams are starting to show up on lots. I like the Laramie trim, however a new 2019 is more than what I would want to spend. However the Bighorn trim, which gets most of the features I would, would fit in. I can always add Katskin leather and basically have the Laramie.

My thoughts on a 2019 is the interior changes (for the better, my wife likes the fact it as more cupholders!) but more importantly the 8 speed transmission. I think that would be better for towing and daily driving.

However I can get a new 2018 Laramie for less than a 2019 Bighorn.

I can also get a lightly used (sub 30k miles) Laramies for low $40s, cheapest yet.

So to sum it up, anyone have any thoughts on the 8 speed tranny or going with the tried and true 2018 with the 6 speed?
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:47 PM   #2
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One thing that seems to be a factor with trucks....the more Bells and Whistles it comes with...the less payload you have available.
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:56 PM   #3
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another reason to stick with the 6.4...payload on the one I tested was 3120#. I have about 1200# to spare with that truck!
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I would think a 2018 would be more off than 10k. I understand the payload advantage of a gas advantage.



Do your research on the emissions issues Fiat is having with gas engines, there are some trucks near the edge of receiving a pass. If they do emissions testing where you live as if any have failed. I have a GM Safari Van that was given a conditional pass as it never could pass.
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I have a 7k TT towing with the F150 as well. I think the lighter curb weight allows the trailer to push it a bit more. I tested a 250 with the same trailer and no issues. Still trying to afford the upgrade so I bought the P3. World of difference and gave me more time.

I plan to upgrade still bit doing so with cash. I have been looking at used vs new like you as well but I am also looking at diesel. Used is a better value because you don't take the big depreciation hit the first year. If you still want new but a model year late I was seeing 13k off during truck month but that was Ford. I am looking at new because I dont want to worry about how someone else treated the truck and what DEF they put in it. I assume Ram follows pricing but not sure as I didnt look there due to features for me. Best of luck and hope that helps!
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personally id wait for the 19 (if your getting a Ram), as it is gonna have the 8 speed tranny. The 6 speed in the ram is not good IMHO. I had a 2016 that I bought new, and the tranny was part of the reason I traded for a diesel. Very stable truck, absolutely great performing motor. The Gap between first and second in the 6 speed is known for raring its ugly head in certain situations when above a certain weight. It will scream its guts out in first, and then when it shifts to second because the gap is large, power out and downshift back to first. With 7600 pounds, this will probably not eve be an issue,but with the 10K trailer I pulled with it it certainly was. If you are sold on a prior year, please try to find one with the 4:10 and not the 3:73, supposedly the 3:73 helps a lot.
BTW, I went through the exact scenario as you, pulled with an f150 ecoboost.. was right at my payloads and had a little sway issue. Felt I could buy a better hitch and overcome sway issue, but would have still been riding at the limits, that why I initially upgraded to the 2500 Ram. You are making a smart choice by upgrading if you are at your limits as you say.
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Old 03-24-2019, 08:35 AM   #7
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I was thinking the 3P was the answer, but then I will need new tires so figured may as well upgrade to LT now also. Then add shocks and RAS to help with the maxed out rear end and porpoising. All of these things are pushing $5k which could go towards a down payment. Then after all of that, I am pretty sure the 3P would put be at or over payload on on the truck. My payload is pretty decent too, 1760, but 950# of tw + hitch eats into it fast. I know I have towed with wood and kayaks in the bed that put me over payload, and it did just fine. (didnt know at the time, I just assumed I was fine). However assuming the hitch distributes 10-15% back to the trailer axles, then I would have about 150-200# left. Again, before wood or kayaks if we bring it. I would still be 250# each under axles loads.

Anyway, its obvious the truck can do it, but it was unstable a lot of times and wind could really affect it. Figured it was worth just going to truck, even though we only put about 2500 miles of towing on it a year/15k miles a year total.

I have read and watch videos about the 6 speed, and have seen the testing on TFL also. Since we live in the midwest, high altitude and steep inclines are not really an issue. We will occasionally take a long trek to some place like Smokey or Black hills, but for maybe once a year I could certainly live with taking it slower to get a good deal on a truck. However getting the new design/8 speed may be a better long term solution is what I am debating. I am also concerned its buddy, but I do know their 8 speed has been around for a bit now in different forms.
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Good choice on upgrading to the 2500.

There are not enough upgrades in the world to a 1500 for me to tow a 7k+ trailer.

Lot's of people brag about it, but I wouldn't do it.

Good luck with your search.
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We have landed on trading in the F150 3.5 Max tow cc in on a HD truck.
Pulling our 7600 lb Rockwood TT, the 3.5 Eco pulls it very well, it is pretty unstable also. Loaded, I have about 50 lbs payload leftover. We have debated getting a 3P or Hensley hitch as well as other upgrades to the F150, but I think the HD truck is the best option.

95% sure it will be a Ram 2500, GASSER. Diesel is not an option, so may as well not even mention it.
I have test drove a F250, Ram 2500 6.4, and have not tested a GMC/Chevy 2500 yet. I am not a big fan of some of the features, or lack there of on the GM trucks compared to the other 2.

The Ram was by far my favorite over the Ford, both in features and unloaded ride quality. IT also doesn't feel as "big" which it isn't.

So I am starting to look around at Ram 2500 cc 6.4, and am considering lighting used or new 2018. Dealers around here have pretty good deals on new ones (starting 10k off) so it makes them pretty close to a lightly used '16/17 model.

So here are my questions on your opinion.
The new 2019 Rams are starting to show up on lots. I like the Laramie trim, however a new 2019 is more than what I would want to spend. However the Bighorn trim, which gets most of the features I would, would fit in. I can always add Katskin leather and basically have the Laramie.

My thoughts on a 2019 is the interior changes (for the better, my wife likes the fact it as more cupholders!) but more importantly the 8 speed transmission. I think that would be better for towing and daily driving.

However I can get a new 2018 Laramie for less than a 2019 Bighorn.

I can also get a lightly used (sub 30k miles) Laramies for low $40s, cheapest yet.

So to sum it up, anyone have any thoughts on the 8 speed tranny or going with the tried and true 2018 with the 6 speed?
The 8 speed is fine. When towing, it most likely will never get to 7th or 8th gear anyhow. get the 2500 with the 3.92 gear and posi. will just about tow anything.
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The 8 speed is fine. When towing, it most likely will never get to 7th or 8th gear anyhow. get the 2500 with the 3.92 gear and posi. will just about tow anything.
I have a Ram 1500 good for 8000lbs ,,3.21 gears. it tows just fine. Only thing I don't like about the 8 spd is when not towing, everyday driving, in a heavy area is it is constantly shifting. If I go to a 2500 I would want the 6 spd. Tougher tranny,less parts. More toughness. You just don't want to be doing 80 mph every day unless you have a full wallet.
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