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Old 01-29-2011, 10:03 PM   #11
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Gas Vs. Diesel. A quick Google search netted this...

Gas vs. Diesel Comparison Review Article - Truck Trend

@ donn...since gasoline is just diesel, but with WAY more refining, do we want more gas engines out there, or more diesel? (Kinda like the whole chicken/egg debate!)

For those that are curious, here's the Wiki page on Diesel Fuel...

Diesel fuel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Old 01-30-2011, 06:45 AM   #12
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Funny, we were almost in the same boat. Started camping with a trailer about the same time with a 09 F150 with a new 31' 2011 travel trailer. Felt the same way about being maxed out.

Have on order a 2011 F350 diesel, single rear axle though..

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We started camping in Oct 2010 with our Salem29FKDS and a 2007 Ford Expidition, After our first 2600 mile 3 week trip we found out we were so close to having the tow rig overloaded...and some very poor MPG in a head wind mostly....We bit the bullit and bought a 2011 Ford F350 Dually.
Knowing we might have gone off the deep end with the current trailer but the idea was we might want to upgrade to a 5er someday...We will be ready with the truck.

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Old 01-30-2011, 08:21 AM   #13
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I started with a 2007 1/2-ton Chevy with the 6.0 gasser and a 3.73 rear end. I pulled a 2008 28 ft Jayco TT, which grossed out at approx. 8000 lbs. It was adequate and I was well within the limits of the tow vehicle, but I felt like I needed the power and torque of a diesel on longer trips. Right after the new year, I upgraded to a 2011 Silverado 2500 HD with a 6.6L Duramax. What an incredible difference! Fast forward to yesterday, and I took delivery of a new fifth wheel. I can tow 16,700 lbs with a fifth wheel hitch, and this truck is simply a towing beast. Integrated brake controller and exhaust brake to boot. I can now use cruise control while towing, something I could not do with the gas engine. Over hills on the interstate, the Duramax doesn't even shift gears. Over the same terrain, the gas engine would downshift into second and roar like a tiger. The diesel purrs like a kitten while pushing out 765 ft-lbs of torque. There is no comparison between the two types of engines for towing a trailer. You won't be sorry if you go the diesel route. Yes, fuel and maintenance costs are higher. The net result is well worth it, in my humble opinion.
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Old 01-30-2011, 11:05 AM   #14
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Alot depends how many miles you plan to drive it,tow with it, keep it. For our situation I have absolutely no regrets having bought a new Ford V10 gasser.
It tows our 12,000# 5th wheel with ease, is driven to work 10 miles each day, used to pull trailer 50 days a year, much better driveability for short distances, ease of service, just start and drive,.
Payback for deisel would take 10 yrs plus in our case.
If we were retired and towing cross country a deisel would make more sense but not for the less than 10,000 miles we put on a year
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Old 01-30-2011, 11:27 AM   #15
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I often hear a lot of talk about cost of diesels and the need to keep them for extended periods to pay for them.

Well, it's kind of a half truth IMO.

A diesel does demand a premium over a gasser at purchase. No arguement there. But, it also demands a premium over a gasser when you sell it. This added in with the fuel savings during ownership, make the price difference pretty small. I've often come out ahead of the game buying/owning/selling a diesel over what the same truck as a gasser would have been.

People often mention the increased service costs.
True, there is more oil in a diesels crankcase. The difference is about 20 bucks per oil change.
A diesel also doesn't require spark plugs. Although with 100,000 mile gasser plugs these days it's not so much a factor.
Gas and diesel both require fuel and oil filter changes, not much difference there. Maybe 20 bucks at each change in the diffence at most.

People cite diesels as "noisy". Modern diesels are pretty quiet. Not as quiet as a gasser in day to day driving, but not far off. The last Duramax I drove was so quiet, I had to actually listen for the diesel noise in the cab. Having a normal conversation standing by the hood was no problem. The newest Fords are supposed to be even quieter than the 'Max. And there's the better MPG to help make you feel better about the very light "clatter" if you do hear it. I'm maybe a bit of a throwback, I like my diesel clatter a bit louder. My 98 IDI 6.5 TD makes a wonderous cacophony of sound! I bought a diesel dad-gum-it! I want it to sound like a diesel!

Finding diesel fuel is often cited as a PITA. I've never had a problem finding diesel. On the highway or in town. It may have been an issue 20-30 years ago when most diesels were just over the road trucks, but the increase in light duty truck diesels and diesel power cars (vw being the big one in NA) have made diesel pumps common.

Only problem I've ever had with diesel is getting that bloody 35 foot trailer to fit in a tiny gas station parking lot. But that's the same with a gasser.

At the end of the dayit's a personal decision based on your specific use.

You can tow with a gasser, no question about it. If I were planing only shorter hauls and light loads, it might make more sense.

But a diesel makes towing heavier loads longer distances a much more relaxed and enjoyable affair. Better MPG is just gravy.

I also find the extra weight in a diesel truck a bonus when controlling the trailer. Diesels are a fair bit heavier than a gasser truck. I find it helps when 8000 lbs are trying to "push it around". Of course, that extra weight can also cut into the trucks payload and there's an MPG penalty for extra weight. This is usually countered by the diesels ecomony anyways.

I'm slanted towards diesels for towing, but a gasser can be a fine choice also. I wouldn't turn my nose up at a good deal on a gasser, but it would be for uses other than towing for me. You just have to get the right gasser for your particular towing job.

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Old 01-30-2011, 01:06 PM   #16
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When I was buying my Dodge I was going to get the Cummings but the salesman talked me into the Hemi. He pointed out the higher priced oil changes, the fuel filter changes, the noise, the odor, the higher price to buy and with diesel a dollar a gallon more the operating cost was the same. He also said they take a long time to generate heat, a big factor in Minnesota. A few years ago we were pulling our 7,000# camper through the Teatons at about 10,000 feet with the foot to the floor and the speed was dropping. I was really wishing I had gone for the Cummings! Now I am looking at the 16 spark plugs that need changing.
The Hemi likes my new lighweight trailer but towing our old one was a chore. With the torque peak at 4,000 RPM and a tranny that likes to shift before 3,000 it takes a lot of fun out of towing. Next time I will be buying a diesel.
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Old 01-30-2011, 02:28 PM   #17
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Cummins, not Cummings!

Little bit different meaning there.....


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Old 01-30-2011, 03:28 PM   #18
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Thanks for all the good information. For the next few years I doubt that we will tow more than 6,000 miles per year. However, I am going to try to go with the diesel. I have found a couple of 2008 F-250's,both with the 6.4L Turbo Diesel. One has 2WD and the other 4WD. Decisions, Decisions.
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Old 01-30-2011, 03:59 PM   #19
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Before you jump on any of the used Fords out there do your homework. Ford has had nothing but headaches with their outsourced diesel motors since the 7.3L dies way back when. The 6.0 was horrible and generally speaking the 6.4 was not a heck of a lot better. It only lasted a couple of years only to be replaced by Fords latest in house creation. Which I understand is pretty good. You would IMHO be far better off looking for a used Dodge Cummins 5.9L or a Duramax.
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Amazing but true.

I am at a campground where there are THREE 15,000 pound Montanas and a Big Country rig (guessing about 14,000 pounds) all being pulled by 3/4 ton diesels (3 Chevy/GMC and one Dodge 2500). Talking with the Montana guy next to me (who has the identical truck as mine) he says he has no problems pulling in the mountains of New York and PA and gets about the same mileage as me pulling my 9200 pound camper. I asked him if he had ever weighted it and the answer was, "No, why should I?" Without a good answer, and drinking his beer at the time, I just said "wow, maybe I can upsize my camper when I am ready to trade." To which he pulled two more beers out of the cooler.


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