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Old 02-26-2013, 09:39 AM   #11
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I don't know the terrain in Canada where you'll be traveling but with a gasser, you'll lose about 2% operating efficiency for every 1000' above sea level...in a diesel, you get all the power the engine is rated for up to 12000' before degradation.

Just a little extra info for you to consider if applicable...
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:44 AM   #12
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That Puma camper will have a high tongue weight for a half ton TV. The camper will probably be around 9700 lbs loaded with a tongue weight around 1260 lb (at 13%). The only half ton that you could consider would be the F150 eco with max tow and max payload options. Otherwise you're looking at a 250/2500, probably gas if you don't drive many miles daily. Everything I've read indicates that short trips and new diesel emissions aren't too compatible.

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Old 02-26-2013, 09:47 AM   #13
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Well Put On The Last 2Posts. I Agree
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:22 AM   #14
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That Puma camper will have a high tongue weight for a half ton TV. The camper will probably be around 9700 lbs loaded with a tongue weight around 1260 lb (at 13%). The only half ton that you could consider would be the F150 eco with max tow and max payload options. Otherwise you're looking at a 250/2500, probably gas if you don't drive many miles daily. Everything I've read indicates that short trips and new diesel emissions aren't too compatible.

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That camper lists a tongue weight of 879 pounds. Add 2 batteries and 2 full propane tanks and you add right at 200 pounds. Pack the camper very lightly and tongue weight won't increase much. With a dry weight of 8137, you'd be packing pretty heavy to get to 9700. Even if they don't include A/C weight, propane tanks and batteries in that figure, you're still talking about an extra 1200-1300 in weight. I know I don't have anywhere near 1200 pounds of crap in my camper. I'd say all of the food, tools, clothing, etc. in mine would weigh south of 400 pounds. I could see him being able to keep tongue weight to 1100ish, but that's still pushing it for most 1/2 tons. I'd still recommend the MaxTow Ecoboost if wanting to stay 1/2 ton gas. The F250 with 6.2 would be a good combo, as I think someone else stated.
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That camper lists a tongue weight of 879 pounds. Add 2 batteries and 2 full propane tanks and you add right at 200 pounds. Pack the camper very lightly and tongue weight won't increase much. With a dry weight of 8137, you'd be packing pretty heavy to get to 9700. Even if they don't include A/C weight, propane tanks and batteries in that figure, you're still talking about an extra 1200-1300 in weight. I know I don't have anywhere near 1200 pounds of crap in my camper. I'd say all of the food, tools, clothing, etc. in mine would weigh south of 400 pounds. I could see him being able to keep tongue weight to 1100ish, but that's still pushing it for most 1/2 tons. I'd still recommend the MaxTow Ecoboost if wanting to stay 1/2 ton gas. The F250 with 6.2 would be a good combo, as I think someone else stated.
I used a dry weight of 8500 lbs with propane batteries etc. and 1200 lb of 'stuff' as it's a bunkhouse and therefore kids. Seeing that it's a 35' camper, I'd want the tongue weight around 13% for stability and less for the anti-sway to control.

With that tongue weight, passengers and gear, you'll be crowding the GVWR and RAWR of a F150 with max tow and GVWR of 7700 lbs. The max payload option gives you another 500 lbs capacity with a GVWR of 8200 lbs.

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Two much trailer for a 1/2 ton pickup. Pin weight will be to much. I have a 2011 F250, diesel, longbed, RWD, CC and pull a 2012 V-Cross 275 VRLS and with options like a second AC in the bedroom it is 7,791 lbs empty and ready to go almost 9,500 lbs. I would not think about pulling it with a 1/2 ton pickup. Forest River states in their adds that it is 1/2 ton towable? You will be lucky to get 10 MPG with a gasser, don't know were the 34/36 MPH came from? If you don't tow it a lot or for long distances the gasser will do and in a Ford the diesel lists for an additional $9,000 on the sticker. Good Luck
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I don't know the terrain in Canada where you'll be traveling but with a gasser, you'll lose about 2% operating efficiency for every 1000' above sea level...in a diesel, you get all the power the engine is rated for up to 12000' before degradation.

Just a little extra info for you to consider if applicable...
Again. Not true with the EcoBoost twin turbo
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If you can swing it I'd get the Ecoboost with max ratings. The diesels pull like crazy, but there is no such thing as a free lunch, diesel = higher fuel costs, higher maintenances costs, etc. A 1/2 ton will be nicer to drive everyday as well.
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:56 PM   #19
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Again. Not true with the EcoBoost twin turbo
OP in original question was considering a range of gas trucks like chevy, ram, etc.. ( no mention of turbo gas engines)...with that said, my info to him is applicable...thanks though for pointing out the Ecoboost equation.
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Don't overlook the possibility of getting a used diesel that is only a few years old with decent miles for less than what you would pay for a less well equipped new gasser. I had a Rockwood 8317RKSS that empty was just at my f-150 5.4 CC FX4's capacity (2007 model truck) Loaded and with the kids/gear it was white knuckle. That trailer was 6700 lbs. dry and 33 feet long. In March of 2010 I found a 2008 (on road since May 08) F250 Diesel Crew Cab SB Lariat 4X4 that had the Premium care already (still active to this day) and 25,000 miles on it. I got it for 28K out the door with a little haggle.

You could probably do similar with a 2011 at this point. even if it had 50K miles it would be worth it. We camp as much as possible and I have a long trip to work over the road. I modified mine to get @21 MPG dry and 14 towing.

Fuel is about 25 cents a gallon more, so just a quarter more over all. You will get better MPG dry and towing in the real world and the Diesel will last a lot longer. All in all cost evens out over time, but the performance will always be better with the Diesel. Leaves room for expansion too, we just upgraded to a Wildcat 344 QB and didn't have to get another vehicle. If you can do a few things mechanically yourself (change oil, fuel filters, air filters) then your costs for the diesel maintenance will be very affordable. JMHO, but I suggest a well kept 2 or 3 year old diesel.
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