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Old 02-15-2013, 11:55 PM   #91
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i would think they would have to make them tow at least 10000 lbs. it for certain will have to be more than the hemi is able to tow. more towing power than the hemi, but not as much as the 3/4 - 1 tons do. im sure the brakes and frame will be beefed up accordingly with the diesel option to protect dodge/ram/italians from lawsuits.

but then again, im speculating seeing as how no specs have been released and it is still early enough to kill the whole thing.
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Old 02-16-2013, 12:04 AM   #92
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i would think they would have to make them tow at least 10000 lbs. it for certain will have to be more than the hemi is able to tow. more towing power than the hemi, but not as much as the 3/4 - 1 tons do. im sure the brakes and frame will be beefed up accordingly with the diesel option to protect dodge/ram/italians from lawsuits.

but then again, im speculating seeing as how no specs have been released and it is still early enough to kill the whole thing.
The problem and the reason I traded in my 1500 last August (when I was looking at 30+ foot 9k TTs) was payload. At approx. 1600 lbs the 1500 was too limiting. It would be almost impossible to ever hit the GCWR on a 1500 without exceeding the GVWR or the RAWR first.
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I wouldn't say you're are stupid.

In my youth I towed a 24' trailer with a Bronco II. I was on the edge of the weight limits myself (possibly a lil over a few times). Where I had issues was in the skinny and short wheelbase. The slightest movement of the wheel translated into larger movements to the trailer.

So if you get into a 1500 and the trailer was within limits then I would applaud you as it would IMO be a better choice than your "tractor".

Now if you got that same 1500 and put a 12k 5er on the back. I also wouldn't call you stupid. However ... I would call you on the phone to know when and where you were going to be on the road and try to avoid you!
The tractor is the TV for the year. If it handled the 24 foot rental, it should handle the 21 foot Roo we purchased. I purchased this trailer as it was light, 3600 yellow sticker, and shorter than the rental, and a floorplan we liked.

Back to the 1500s, I stopped by the lo Ram and Jeep dealer. He said the 2014 JGC are in soon. He has my info if he gets any diesels in. I would like to test drive, but would like to poke around and see if I can get some info as to DPF and DEF and other EPA crap.

There is a guy tuning the current VM motors. He also does some Mercedes and VWs and Sprinters. I am hoping he can tune these also.
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The tractor is the TV for the year. If it handled the 24 foot rental, it should handle the 21 foot Roo we purchased. I purchased this trailer as it was light, 3600 yellow sticker, and shorter than the rental, and a floorplan we liked.

Back to the 1500s, I stopped by the lo Ram and Jeep dealer. He said the 2014 JGC are in soon. He has my info if he gets any diesels in. I would like to test drive, but would like to poke around and see if I can get some info as to DPF and DEF and other EPA crap.

There is a guy tuning the current VM motors. He also does some Mercedes and VWs and Sprinters. I am hoping he can tune these also.
Based on what I saw on the FR site that 3600 must have been dry weight. What's the GVWR on your Roo?
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not to be a smarty pants/wise guy, but isnt gvwr what the truck weighs? more interesting to see would be its tow capacity in both tt/5th wheel/gooseneck. i know its a half ton with a small diesel. and i also know it isnt on the market yet and can be killed at any time between now and then, especially with fuel prices headed in the direction they are going.but those technical stats would be nice to see.

i speculate tow capacity to 14000 on a 5th wheel and low to mid 20's fuel economy hiway. any other guesses?
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not to be a smarty pants/wise guy, but isnt gvwr what the truck weighs?
No, the GVWR is the gross vehicle weight eating- meaning it's the weight if the vehicle and anything it carries must not exceed the GVWR. The difference between the GVWR and the weight of the truck is your payload.

Your payload is one of the factors in how much trailer it can carry (via tongue weight for TTs and pin weight for FWs).
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not to be a smarty pants/wise guy, but isnt gvwr what the truck weighs? more interesting to see would be its tow capacity in both tt/5th wheel/gooseneck. i know its a half ton with a small diesel. and i also know it isnt on the market yet and can be killed at any time between now and then, especially with fuel prices headed in the direction they are going.but those technical stats would be nice to see.

i speculate tow capacity to 14000 on a 5th wheel and low to mid 20's fuel economy hiway. any other guesses?
I would not speculate anything that high. For one, it is a 1/2 ton. Payload on the current models are no higher than 1500lbs. Also, the torque output of the VM is on par with the Hemi, and those are rated at 10k with 3.92 gears.

I was looking at supposedly 1/2 ton towable fifthwheels, and most will still put the truck over on the GVWR rating. I am a lot more open minded when it comes to weights, so for me, 100 pounds or so over would be just fudging it.
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My thinking is that the new truck should get mid 20 when not pulling. If you get 15 pulling , could use as a daily driver as well. I will be looking a the 2008 Jeep 3.0 diesel first. Let someone take the money hit on the 2014 1st
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I don't see how you'd not be over the GVWR on a 1/2 ton. I'm over with my 1/2 ton towable 5th wheel behind my 3/4 ton. I just weighed my truck 2 weeks ago at work. With me, hitch, 3/4 tank of fuel, tool box 1/2 full of fire wood, and 280lbs of sand in bed and it weighed 7900 trailer pin weight is 1226 for a total 9126. My Dodge 2500 GVWR is 9000. And I'll bet I over that in the summer when I'm pulling. With no sand but with DW, dog, full tank of fuel, full load of fire wood and 50% of the time I pull with water.
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