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Old 04-01-2013, 11:10 AM   #71
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Wow. And I'm worried about going over 250 lbs.!

"This trailer weighs 6395 lbs dry and can carry 2348 lbs at max load I cannot see the tongue weight going up 273 lbs."

15% of 2,348 lbs. is 352 lbs., and if you happen to put the majority of that weight closer to the tongue, it could be over 15%...

I'm not an expert, but my little trailer is real easy to over/under load the tongue. I can only imagine that it is even easier with a big TT.

What do you guys that have these beasts think? My wife is already talking about a TT in our future! LOL
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:21 PM   #72
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I think the bottom line is..............

Like many of these posts, and I did it too, we all want the most we can handle, and take positive advice, while discounting the negatives. I think there should be a STICKY that says, "what motivates the salesman?" Or maybe, "What you won't learn from the guy on commission."

When I went in looking for a TH that would be an appropriate tow for my 1/2 ton, the dealer immediately steered me toward the 25ULA. Even the FR brochures and website advertised them as 1/2 ton towable. BTW, I think FR has removed this from current advertising, or at least it is not as prominent. Again, technically, the are correct, but practically, this was not a good match.

I even stopped by my Dodge dealer to ask their advice. The service manager looked up my invoice to find the exact specs on my pickup - 3.92, tow package, etc. and said I was well within limit. Another service tech even went so far as to tell me, with the weight of the ULA, not to even bother with tow haul mode, and that OD would help with fuel mileage. Trust me, I don't think I would have ever gotten to OD long enough to benefit, and used Tow Haul for every trip while pulling.

So armed with that "valuable" advice, I pulled the trigger, added the WD hitch, and even went so far as having a generator mounted to the tongue rack. Not once during this process did anyone at the dealership ever mention weight, tongue weight, loading, or WD set up. I back in, watched them hook me up, did the walk around, signed, and drove away. If you know the W&P, with the WD hitch AND the gen on front, my tongue weight was probably about 1300# as delivered.

I was about halfway home when I realized I had too much camper for the TV. On my first outing the next week, my truck looked like it was ready to launch. It felt like my seat was reclined. On that trip, traveling alone with my tools, I stopped several times to make adjustments and got it closer to level.

Very early on I removed the generator from the rack. I worked hard to get the WD just right, and learned how to load the camper to get the weight distributed evenly. And as I've said elsewhere, the W&P actually tows much better with a "toy" loaded, or freshwater as ballast. But the big items I could not fix were fuel mileage, DTE, incovenience of stopping every 100 miles to fill up an empty tank, and the IRRITATING downshifting combined with high revs. Like RetiredTX, on long uphill climbs I could actually see the needle move. My last trip was just over 200 miles and I used 40 gallons of gas.

The good news, I liked the W&P more than the 1/2 ton, so I traded for a new TV that is more capable. We're planning a trip to central Colorado this summer and I can't wait. I would never have attempted this in the 1/2 ton.
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:32 PM   #73
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Wow. And I'm worried about going over 250 lbs.!

"This trailer weighs 6395 lbs dry and can carry 2348 lbs at max load I cannot see the tongue weight going up 273 lbs."

15% of 2,348 lbs. is 352 lbs., and if you happen to put the majority of that weight closer to the tongue, it could be over 15%...

I'm not an expert, but my little trailer is real easy to over/under load the tongue. I can only imagine that it is even easier with a big TT.

What do you guys that have these beasts think? My wife is already talking about a TT in our future! LOL
You are right but doing somemore checking water tanks are behind axles Kitchen and storage are on axles and most storage area is behind axles so it could be that once loaded tongue weight may not change much we will see.
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:55 AM   #74
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I hope it's ok. Keep us posted!
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:57 AM   #75
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One thing I haven't read, or I missed it, in all these posts. What about braking? A very important part of towing any trailer, IMHO. If the TV is over loaded to begin with, what danger are the people in the truck in, let alone the people driving down the same road with you? You can move things in the TT to try and improve the weight distribution but it's still overloaded when you get right down to it. I was in your shoes with a 3/4 ton pulling a 36 ft TH. Just over the GVWR but would pull that 5er forever. Now the TH is gone but we have a 35ft 5er pulled with a 1 ton, diesel, DRW crew cab, long box. Pulls great but the main thing is, it can handle the weight from the king pin and the braking power is one heck of a lot better. I, like you tried to convince myself that it was all good by having rear air springs put on and watching the distribution of weight but in reality it wasn't good and I took a chance on my family's well being when on the highway and other people's as well. You're going to do what you're going to do but there are other things to think about. It's just a big pain in the rear when the mistake has been made and being able to correct it may not be easy to do or maybe it can be. You are the judge. Stay safe.
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:04 AM   #76
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the trailer has it's own brakes & if adjusted properly shouldn't affect tv brakes too much
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:29 AM   #77
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My F-150 has the Ford brake controller and from what I read it is one of the better ones out there. It works with the on board computer to Brake the TT and help with sway control. By the way I ordered the Anderson Hitch, I will not have it when I leave the Dealer I will be using a Huskey with Anti sway so I will be able to compare them both.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:03 AM   #78
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Been there; done that. You have more than enough engine to handle the load and you'll be within the GCWR. Keep an eye on the GVWR/GAWR and make sure to check your rear end gearing. Unfortunately after I purchased my F-150 Eco, I discovered that I had a 3.15 rear which got me great gas mileage unhooked, but even with the tow package, the gears were not up to handling my TT which weighed about 7K loaded. I had to stay off the interstate highways because the big rigs gave me fits (didn't have a Hensley).

You've done the right thing upgrading the tires and you are purchasing a very nice hitch. A 3.73 rear would be a better match, but if you have 3.55 gears, you'll be OK for level tows. You'll definitely notice hills and headwinds which will affect your MPG.

As previously mentioned here, get the truck & trailer properly weighed, pack conservatively, keep an eye on the GVWR/GAWR, and drive safely. You'll have such fun that ready or not, next thing you know you'll have an entirely different, and no-doubt bigger TV & TT rig.

Good luck Uncle. Be safe out there and have some fun...
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:34 PM   #79
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Got my starting weight of truck. 3280 front 2520 rear 5800 gross. That was with full tank of fuel, me and the spouse in the truck, no other luggage.
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Old 04-04-2013, 02:06 PM   #80
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Ok, given a 5,800 gross weight. Your gross vehicle weight rating is 7,200 pounds. That means that you have 1,400 pounds of payload remaining.

The second concern is keeping within your rear gross axle weight rating. Your truck is 3850 and your weight was 2,520 leaving you with 1,330.

Keep in mind you'll lose some pounds to your hitch hardware and luggage and traveling comforters.
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