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Old 11-16-2012, 07:42 AM   #11
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I believe this will be an interesting thread before its over.

Watching for sure.


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Old 11-16-2012, 07:50 AM   #12
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H&S and Spartan are the big "DPF delete" tunes. I was looking at ordering an H&S before all this started. Edge, Banks, Bully Dog, etc . are non-DPF delete tunes.

I can see the EPA ordering these companies to stop producing "off-road" programmer tunes, but then it will come down to people getting these tunes off the black market that will be created because of this off-road tune ban. It's going to be very difficult for the EPA to stop this. If they're really serious, it will require every state to start emissions testing. They will also have to start no-notice (beside the road) testing of diesel vehicles. Yes folks, more government intervention to make ours lives better
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:49 AM   #13
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Yes folks, more government intervention to make ours lives better

But they claim to know what's best for us already. @sshat's!!
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:30 AM   #14
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would'nt commuting to/from work qualify as closed loop racing??? just curious
Lol. Yes! And depending on where you live some interstates are right on par with NASCAR. I always considered myself a professional driver on a closed course.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:12 AM   #15
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:51 AM   #16
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For what it's worth. from the diesel forums


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Old 11-16-2012, 12:08 PM   #17
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I remember this coming up in 06 when they mandated DPF etc. The value of pre-DPF trucks remains high just because you dont have to deal with that stuff. Sooner or later you had to know this was going to be a problem. For years you have been able to buy over the counter products that directly violated US Law having to do with emissions. Those of lucky enough (or smart enough) to live in a state or county with no emissions testing can get away with directly flouting the EPA. Regardless, we all had to know what we were doing was illegal the whole time.

Ironically, the current crop of diesel's get good MPG with the emission stuff left alone, and produce more power than any of us need.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:36 PM   #18
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Ironically, the current crop of diesel's get good MPG with the emission stuff left alone, and produce more power than any of us need.
While I've had my fair share of "dirty" trucks, with the power the new diesels are delivering, I don't see a need to dump a huge black cloud just to say, "look at me" I cringe every time I see some high school kid "roll coal". My honest opion, they should be fined. My truck produces 400hp of clean diesel power. I also like the fact that I don't have any strong diesel odor to the exhaust, unlike some that will actually make your eyes water going down the road. Not knocking, those with tuners that are responsible in using them, but I see way too many misused just so they can put everyone in a black cloud of smoke.

Now the flood gates are open.
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:25 PM   #19
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I think everyone on this forum are probably "responsible users" of these aftermarket products but as always, the squeaky wheel gets the attention then ALL users pay the price.
Same could be said for the loud & tuned motorcycles on the road, dirty outboard boat motors, etc...Next, there will be people boycotting the strong smell of coffee at Starbucks and another regulation is born...at some point gotta not sweat the small stuff.

This gonna be a LONG thread! Happy Camping
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:46 PM   #20
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2 stroke snowmobiles !
what about 24 cylinder trains rolling coal by my house every 8 minutes !
"hauling it as well"

prostock diesel tractors ........... now theres some smoke COME ON !
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