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Old 11-17-2012, 11:35 AM   #31
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chevrolet developed a working fuel injection system as early as 1957. all before the epa was ever thought of. it wasnt as reliable as it is today, but it was available.
My 72 Porsche 914 had injection.

I put it (the injection system ) in a trash bag and put Webers on.

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Old 11-17-2012, 03:23 PM   #32
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bet you wish you had it back now, as im sure they bring big bucks. especially from the restoration crowd. the go fast crowd probably not so much.
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Old 11-18-2012, 12:07 AM   #33
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2 stroke snowmobiles !
what about 24 cylinder trains rolling coal by my house every 8 minutes !
"hauling it as well"

prostock diesel tractors ........... now theres some smoke COME ON !
Where are the 24 cylinder trains? I would love more power. Then again, our 12 and 16 4400hp locos can't stick to the railroad during the fall foliage.

As for this topic, I see the prices for pre-dpf trucks holding strong, and maybe someone marketing a performance dpf that meets epa standards, does clog and go into regeneration mode, and helps the engine breathe better.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:01 AM   #34
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...You don’t really think the BIG 3 would have ever developed a working fuel injection system…DO YOU?...
Yes they would have. Control technology was in its infancy then and it takes quite a while before you get it all to work right.

Detroit was also competing in a world market too. If foreign manufacturers were more in tune with what both the world and domestic customers wanted then Detroit lost market share. Do you think the EPA conspired to make the Camry one of the top selling cars in the US?

Not only that the big vehicles where America shines were the beneficaries of this technology too. Those 3/4 and 1 ton diesels are made even more reliable and efficient due to this exotic hardware.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:21 AM   #35
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There are a lot of people that don't get a tuner to "roll coal". Tuners provide:

Increased power
Increased MPG
Increased reliabilty

The stresses the DPF and EGR place on the engine contributes to reduced engine longevity. Removing the DPR and EGR will make your diesel engine last longer, provided you don't treat your vehicle like a race car.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:14 PM   #36
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The coal trains running in our area have four or five locos coupled together and the trains are 100 cars long. They're hauling Montana coal to Vancouver BC to be shipped to China.

There's talk of a new coal export facility in Ferndale, WA that will increase the coal train count to 20 a day, full going north and empty coming back, for a total of 40/day.

We're also getting an increase in trains of oil cars (60 cars long) from 2 a day to 8 a day to the refineries in Anacortes and a similar increase to the Shell refinery in Ferndale. These trains all go through Mount Vernon and Burlington where there are maybe 15 grade crossings.

BTW, the old Chevy fuel injection was for performance, rather than emissions and was similar mechanical technology to that used in diesels. The French car maker, Peugoet, had MFI on its family cars back in the 1960s, as did Mercedes on the 300SL.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:24 PM   #37
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FYI... interesting stuff.

http://secondchancegarage.com/public...n.cfm:trink39:
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:47 PM   #38
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Try this one, it opened for me.

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Old 11-19-2012, 05:28 PM   #40
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it may have been for performance back in the 50's and for emissions now days, but it also had the side benefit of increased performance currently. and who doesnt like reliable performance? no carbs to fiddle with, no solid lifters to mess with constantly.

as far as our oil burners go, somebody will find away to work with the rules/regs like they did for gas motors and everybody will be happy. you know there is more in these motors than what the factory tells us, so they can bump the power up year to year and tell us its newer, more powerful so they can sell more trucks.

personally, i am happy with my 08 duramax, stock as the day it left the factory. however, i see an intake and exhaust shortly after the warrenty runs out.
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