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Old 10-22-2015, 10:46 AM   #51
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Ok.
Right from the horses mouth..
Im sitting out front the local Rcmp office, I talked to them.
It is under the Canadian highway traffic act.
Going over gvwr can net you a fine starting at $73 up to $2500.
Rcmp can direct you to a weigh station, and follow you there to check your weights.


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RCMP is the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Most do not drive horses any longer except on Parade or at large events and festivals. They function in most provinces as the Police authority above the local county or city Police. In Ontario we have a third level Ontario Provincial Police and QPP in Quebec. Many native areas have there own police force as well.
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Old 10-22-2015, 10:49 AM   #52
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Oh I 100% agree. The truck isn't going to blow up and kill a bus load of nuns, if I go a pound over gross.

Just stating the legal side of it.

I thought in " sue everybody" USA, most people would be more concerned with going over gross....?


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I do agree that we have a major issue with being "sue happy" down here. I think you would have an issue if you were severely overloaded, as in people were gawking as you went down the road and multiple witnesses testified that you looked completely unsafe as you travelled. But exceeding the sticker would be hard to prove after an accident- unless, once again, severe. Simply shifting things around in your camper can change how much weight is on the TV. Fuel level can as well…. How much passengers weighed…. The LEO I mentioned actually spoke of that and his statement was- how would you get the pieces back where they were and who is gonna weigh a wrecked vehicle?
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Old 10-22-2015, 10:59 AM   #53
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In my case the derated F 250 is about licencing and need for annual inspections as a truck over 10,000 lbs. My truck is equipped same as a F350 except 2 inch blocks, springs, diff etc are the same
Here is a interesting question - Why do they make F250 when anything more that 10,000 lbs on F350 is option and if you order a standard F350 you get a 10,000 lbs rating?
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The LEO I mentioned actually spoke of that and his statement was- how would you get the pieces back where they were and who is gonna weigh a wrecked vehicle?
If I was the lawyer I would produce the spec from the RV stating the max weight of the RV and specs from the truck and that the max weight of the RV exceed the truck specs. Then it would be up to the RVer to prove that he wasn't at the those weights. Remember you are working with a judge/jury that probably are not RVers and you don't have to prove it just more than likely in a civil case.

If I was in the position of a fully load RV exceeding my truck specs I would have several scale weight tickets stating I was under that weight and that was advice from a retired judge. But that is me......
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Old 10-22-2015, 11:25 AM   #55
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If I was the lawyer I would produce the spec from the RV stating the max weight of the RV and specs from the truck and that the max weight of the RV exceed the truck specs. Then it would be up to the RVer to prove that he wasn't at the those weights. Remember you are working with a judge/jury that probably are not RVers and you don't have to prove it just more than likely in a civil case.

If I was in the position of a fully load RV exceeding my truck specs I would have several scale weight tickets stating I was under that weight and that was advice from a retired judge. But that is me......
I thought it was guilty until proven innocent???? So if I hook up to a flatbed trailer that weighs 3K but it's capable of hauling 12K I'm somehow breaking the law if my truck can only carry 10K? I think I could blow that line of reasoning out of the water really quickly. I could also point out that a typical minivan has a CCC of ~1300 lbs. with seating for 7. Is it possible therefore to load 7 adults into a minivan and exceed GVWR? Can I now file a civil suit against ALL minivan drivers because it is "possible" that they overload their vehicle????
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I thought it was guilty until proven innocent???? So if I hook up to a flatbed trailer that weighs 3K but it's capable of hauling 12K I'm somehow breaking the law if my truck can only carry 10K? I think I could blow that line of reasoning out of the water really quickly. I could also point out that a typical minivan has a CCC of ~1300 lbs. with seating for 7. Is it possible therefore to load 7 adults into a minivan and exceed GVWR? Can I now file a civil suit against ALL minivan drivers because it is "possible" that they overload their vehicle????
If they can convict someone of murder without a body they surely can prove some degree of fault for being over weight without a weight ticket saying it's was over weight...
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Old 10-22-2015, 11:35 AM   #57
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I thought it was guilty until proven innocent???? So if I hook up to a flatbed trailer that weighs 3K but it's capable of hauling 12K I'm somehow breaking the law if my truck can only carry 10K? I think I could blow that line of reasoning out of the water really quickly. I could also point out that a typical minivan has a CCC of ~1300 lbs. with seating for 7. Is it possible therefore to load 7 adults into a minivan and exceed GVWR? Can I now file a civil suit against ALL minivan drivers because it is "possible" that they overload their vehicle????

I'll do you one better.
Manitoba has a class 3 license.
It's for tandem trucks, and trailers that have a gross over 10k.

If I hook up to the trailer, I need class 3.
Loaded or not.


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Old 10-22-2015, 11:36 AM   #58
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Ok.
Right from the horses mouth..
Im sitting out front the local Rcmp office, I talked to them.
It is under the Canadian highway traffic act.
Going over gvwr can net you a fine starting at $73 up to $2500.
Rcmp can direct you to a weigh station, and follow you there to check your weights.


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Since when do Sovereign States let automobile manufacturers write law for them?

Especially when you consider that half the figures the factory is giving you are, to put it nicely -- BS.

They just kinda make them up. One year Dodge makes up a towing figure out of thin air, the next year Generic Motors has to top it and then Ford insists they can out-tow them all.......

All of these claims without even touching the vehicle!!!

My old Expedition with a 300HP 5.4 was rated higher than my new(ish) F150...... And my F150 has a FAR superior engine, a much longer wheel base and, I suspect, better brakes. Not to mention the new 6R80 SelectShift is so far superior to the old 4 Speed I had in the Expo isn't even funny.

But the Expos was rated to tow 800lbs more.

Riddle me that......

But.... I guess that's Canada. The land of -- Whatever.

Not that Cops would ever lie to you. Heaven forbid. I'd like to see the Statute that Mountie was referring to.

And I suspect that any first year law student would destroy it.

End rant....
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Excessive Pin Weight for 1/2 Ton ??

He showed me the traffic act.

I'll see if I can dig it up online and post it.
Not that I have to prove anything....
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If I was the lawyer I would produce the spec from the RV stating the max weight of the RV and specs from the truck and that the max weight of the RV exceed the truck specs. Then it would be up to the RVer to prove that he wasn't at the those weights. Remember you are working with a judge/jury that probably are not RVers and you don't have to prove it just more than likely in a civil case.

If I was in the position of a fully load RV exceeding my truck specs I would have several scale weight tickets stating I was under that weight and that was advice from a retired judge. But that is me......
And if I were the lawyer for the accused I would ask for verification on weights. I would ask for the UVW and the GVW along with the GCVWR for the truck along with the RAWR of the truck. Then I would ask for the documents showing the total weight of all cargo in the 5er along with the loaded towing weight of the 5er and truck.
You can't use the GVW of the 5er as evidence because unless it's known what the total weight was that was loaded into the 5er then the 5er's GVW is meaningless.
With all this being said the results of the crash aren't even discussed. The 5er is either going to be totally destroyed as many seem to say or it's going to be intact and therefore easily weighed. All this speculation is meaningless because conditions after the accident aren't a known.

The 5er owner could hit a pedestrian or collide head on at 65mph rounding a corner in a wreck. One crash would be easy to determine the weight of the 5er, the other probably not.
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