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Old 05-10-2014, 01:02 PM   #11
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Problem with any 1/2 ton (except the F150 HD) is they don't have enough payload capacity. They have the power to pull 7-8-9000lbs but can't handle the pin weight.
17-1800lb pin weights will put almost every 1/2 ton over the GVW and RAWR. The 1/2 ton trucks with the high end packages are the worst as they tend to have only 12-1500lb payloads. Put a family of 4 in at 350-400lbs and you are left with maybe 1000-1200lbs for pin. Add in the 150lbs for the 5th hitch and it's even less. Anyone towing a 5'er with a 1/2 ton that has a 1700lb+/- payload is 100% over on weights.
Most say they're fine but haven't weighed their setup. It just seems okay. Granted a 1/2ton towing a 5'er maxed out will handle better than a maxed out TT. Doesn't make it right though. IMO running at or over RAWR and GVW isn't good for the truck.
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Old 05-10-2014, 03:52 PM   #12
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Pin 1,700
Trailer 7,450
Total 9,150
GCWR 17,200
Actual 15,404
Payload 2,388

My pin is within the payload with 2 adults a 14lb dog and no cargo in the bed. I can not see how I am overloaded when i meet all weights supplied by both TT and TV.
The TT weight includes 3/4 tank of water, full propane and loaded for a week away.

I have visited the scale 3 times including taking out things never used. A change to plastic tool boxes from metal saved me 100lbs, often go without water to save another 300lbs. I will throw a couple bags of firewood in if we are going to a non quarantine zone which adds some back in.

LT Tires, 2 inches of squat less than some 250's or 2500's loaded.

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Old 05-10-2014, 04:04 PM   #13
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Pin 1,700
Trailer 7,450
Total 9,150
GCWR 17,200
Actual 15,404
Payload 2,388


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that is pretty impressive, I am sitting with 1800pin and 2k extra on the trailer axles for a GCWR of 19.4k and I sure know it is back their with my 3/4 diesel, well the truck knows it is, but the engine does not
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Old 05-10-2014, 05:01 PM   #14
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Pin 1,700
Trailer 7,450
Total 9,150
GCWR 17,200
Actual 15,404
Payload 2,388

My pin is within the payload with 2 adults a 14lb dog and no cargo in the bed. I can not see how I am overloaded when i meet all weights supplied by both TT and TV.
The TT weight includes 3/4 tank of water, full propane and loaded for a week away.

I have visited the scale 3 times including taking out things never used. A change to plastic tool boxes from metal saved me 100lbs, often go without water to save another 300lbs. I will throw a couple bags of firewood in if we are going to a non quarantine zone which adds some back in.

LT Tires, 2 inches of squat less than some 250's or 2500's loaded.

Brian
Do you have the HD payload option? Is that payload reading from the sticker inside the drivers door?

I'd never do a 5W with a 1/2 ton since I'd be so severely limited in my choices and cargo.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:49 AM   #15
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Pin 1,700
Trailer 7,450
Total 9,150
GCWR 17,200
Actual 15,404
Payload 2,388

My pin is within the payload with 2 adults a 14lb dog and no cargo in the bed. I can not see how I am overloaded when i meet all weights supplied by both TT and TV.
The TT weight includes 3/4 tank of water, full propane and loaded for a week away.

I have visited the scale 3 times including taking out things never used. A change to plastic tool boxes from metal saved me 100lbs, often go without water to save another 300lbs. I will throw a couple bags of firewood in if we are going to a non quarantine zone which adds some back in.

LT Tires, 2 inches of squat less than some 250's or 2500's loaded.

Brian
If you have 2388lbs of payload then you must have the HD package. Not the same as a regular maxtow F150. Like I said the HD is the only 1/2 ton that's 5'er worthy. The rest are probably maxed out. Of course it depends on the 5'er. When we had our 2010 F150 with 1857lb payload we looked at small 5'ers. But even with the ones that had the lightest pin weight we couldn't make it work. Most had UVW of 7000lbs or so. Figuring 20% for pin that's 1400lbs on the pin. And that's dry weight. Add another 1200lbs of gear and now we would be at 1640lb on the pin. Only 200lbs left. Wife and I together weigh more than 200lbs.
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Unless it's different in Canada the HD Payload Pkg. is only available on the XL, XLT & Lariat trim levels. His signature has him in a King Ranch F150.
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From what I've gathered here plus my experience I'm not sure there are any 5W's that can be pulled by an F150...

But I saw one today...doing maybe 40mph up a hill on the hwy today, rear end was sittin' a tad low. 4 dr short bed F150. Not a real big 5W, but not a small one either.

Had to be over weight on the truck.

Wish I coulda got a pic!
If you get max tow & max payload package with the ecoboost...you got a few 5W's to pick from easily.
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My trailer was marketed as a 1/2 ton towable, I doubt it very much!
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Old 05-11-2014, 04:31 PM   #19
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At the RV show most small fives are marketed as "half ton towable". Clearly most dealers want to sell rigs period they are not concerned with payload or safety just signed orders
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My invoice and specs says I have both with my truck. You are absolutely right. They have a different package which is called 8250 gvrw which equals the max tow and max payload. My axle and springs are the same as US HD package.

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