Originally Posted by keith_h
This is from the Ford 2015 F-150 towing guide:
"Make sure vehicle payload (reduce by option weight) will accommodate trailer tongue load weight and weight of passengers and cargo added to towing vehicle."
It appears to me the Ford includes tongue weight as part of payload.
Yup. I agree.
The point is that the sticker on the door jamb says 'Passengers and Cargo', not 'Payload'.
The Ford documentation says to treat 'Passengers and Cargo' as 'Payload'.
But in the case of Toyota, my understanding as of early 2015 is that they don't include tongue weight in 'Passengers and Cargo', as illustrated by by my wife's 4Runner and by my multiple contacts with Toyota to sort this out. I twice explicitly asked the Toyota factory whether the 'Passenger and Cargo' rating sticker includes weight on the hitch, and was twice told 'NO'. In this case, you really need to weigh the vehicle and subtract curb weight from GVWR to get 'Payload'.