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Old 05-27-2016, 02:01 PM   #21
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depends on how truck is equipted. mine was special ordered. has 2605 payload. 11.300 towing. 3.5 eco boosts is more than enough for the weight. more payload than some f250s trucks are not all alike.
That's true my Chevy 25000HD Diesel had a 2475 payload and the Chevy dealer told me it could any 5th wheel out there. Of coarse, he was wrong.

With your yellow door tag saying 2605 payload and 200 lbs driver and 250lbs hitch that gives you a 5er weight according to Towing Planner of:

You're adding approximately 450 lbs. to the truck. You have 2,155 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 8,620 - 10,775 lbs.

Towing Calculator based on Truck's Payload/CCC - Towing Planner

Which is respectable numbers and gives you huge selection of 5er and still be within specs and close to your 11,300 towing capacity which is rare when towing a 5er with even a 3/4 or 1 ton SRW.
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Old 05-27-2016, 02:09 PM   #22
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I started to type "would you believe" but I'm sure you would. The Ford salesman is arguing with me about the load and the camper salesman is trying to get me to believe 10 ply tires, airbags and a turnoverball is all I need. Also, he can help me get a fantastic deal on an F250 if I still don't believe him.
Interesting. I got double teamed that way too on my (inadequately rated) Tundra. They tried to convince me that it would have more load capacity if I upgraded the tires and added booster springs. This voids the warranty and doesn't increase the load capacity unless done by a licensed vehicle builder who can correctly re-engineer the rest of the vehicle for the added load. There needs to be a significant legal liability to dealerships that use this sales tactic.

If the Ford salesman could do the math and physics, he probably wouldn't be selling trucks. Caveat emptor.
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Old 05-27-2016, 02:14 PM   #23
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I would sure like to see the sticker for the 4 runner that has two different weights on it. That would be a new one for me. Or are you getting one from the vehicle (occupants and cargo) and the other one (payload) from the owners manual?


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You are correct. the extra springs and or air bags and LT tires vs P rated tires doesn't change the towing capacity.

it changes the handling and ability to carry the max rated for the truck set by the manufacturer without those things added or upgraded.

The ford technicians here stated it would do nothing to increase my max tow.
just slows down the sway we used to feel hauling the tag along with the Reese Dual Cam WDH, which it did.
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Old 05-27-2016, 02:23 PM   #25
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Get the SRW F350. The F250 and 350 are the same size but the 350 has a beefier suspension. Keep more payload by going gas (~800lbs) but if you are going to be towing in the mountains you will love the diesel... LOL, I love spending other people's money, kinda feel like a liberal today...(just a joke). It is a wash on $ and will gain you about 1000lbs on cargo weight. May be a little stiffer ride unloaded but not by that much.
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When they want to sell you something they will tell you anything. The door plate is there for a reason. You also didn't mention which EcoBoost engine you have, the 2.7 is not a good tv, 3.5 is great and can pull 9,000 lbs with max tow option. Get the 250 for the 5er.
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F-250 Rocks!

I have experience with both the Ecoboost and the 6.7 L diesel and there is just no comparison when it comes to towing enjoyability. At first, I was happy with my Ecoboost except for it's unbelievably bad fuel economy, but towing power was pretty good. The first time I towed with it in some hills is when I realized it just wasn't ideal for towing heavy trailers. My F-250 on the other hand, is an absolute dream while towing; especially in the mountains. Besides climbing like a mountain goat, the engine brake and hill descent control blew my mind on how good they worked. Last year, I took my trailer on a 4300 mile round trip to Utah and encountered quite a few steep grade descents that were several miles long, and hardly ever used my brakes; it was fantastic!
If you plan on towing on mostly flat roads, then the Ecoboost might serve you okay, but if you plan on towing in the mountains, I highly recommend that you consider a diesel. Good luck!
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When they want to sell you something they will tell you anything. The door plate is there for a reason. You also didn't mention which EcoBoost engine you have, the 2.7 is not a good tv, 3.5 is great and can pull 9,000 lbs with max tow option. Get the 250 for the 5er.
Not all of us tow +10K lbs behemoths. The 2.7L is a fine tow vehicle for those of us with lighter trailers.
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I would sure like to see the sticker for the 4 runner that has two different weights on it. That would be a new one for me. Or are you getting one from the vehicle (occupants and cargo) and the other one (payload) from the owners manual?


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It's a 2012 4Runner Limited 4X4

The sticker on the door jamb says the GVWR is 6300lbs, and the Occupants and Cargo capacity is 1165lbs.

I weighed it with a full tank and found the payload capacity by subtracting weight from GVWR. This was two years ago and I don't have the weight receipt any more. As I remember the payload I calculated to be a couple hundred pounds more than the cargo rating on the door jamb, but less than the published payload of 1495lbs for the Limited 4X4 version. The only significant option on the vehicle is running boards that probably weigh less than 100lbs based on browsing that I did just now, so this is consistent.

Again, I called Toyota twice and questioned them on this. Both times I was told the Occupants and Cargo rating doesn't include weight on the hitch. The two things can be different.
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