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Old 05-31-2016, 01:54 PM   #41
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Thank you rvb. This should clear up any confusion for the poster.


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Old 06-01-2016, 09:40 PM   #42
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It would apppear that your F150 Ecoboost is not configured correctly and is most probabaly missing the heavy duty tow package and differential ratio that moves complete payload up to 2300 LBs and tow capability to over 11,000 LBS+. With your current configuration it would be a struggle. I tow a Rockwood 8260 with 8,500 LBS loaded and have no problems and go over the Rockies and Appalachians on a regular basis. Look up the F150 configuration options on the Ford site and you can work it out yourself. Definetly the load story that you are being fed is incorrect.

I have all the towing options, including the brake controller, etc. It's a CrewMax and short bed, which has less payload than a standard cab and longer bed. It really has been fine towing here in the Rockies, although the trailer tires didn't fare so well on Monarch pass.
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Old 06-01-2016, 10:07 PM   #43
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Here is the emailed response from Toyota on my query about this. The wording from the agent is a little muddy, but the inserted drawing makes clear that cargo does not include tongue weight.

"You are correct, the Payload refers to the passengers and cargo, and anything that weighs the vehicle down. The weight for the hitch is the tongue weight."


The tongue weight is not included in the Cargo, using Toyota's definition.

The problem with this is that if you look at the sticker on the door jamb, it says 'Occupants and Cargo', not 'Occupants and Cargo and tongue weight', and not 'Payload'.


Ford documentation mixes it up. Sometimes they treat tongue weight as included in cargo, and other times make a point of adding cargo and tongue weight as two separate items. Where it matters most, I agree that Ford is pretty clear that the door jamb sticker reports payload.

For a Toyota, you can't look at the sticker on the door jamb for the payload rating. It only says 'Occupants and Cargo', and as shown by my wife's 4Runner, payload capacity could be higher.
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Old 06-01-2016, 10:09 PM   #44
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:14 AM   #45
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They said anything that weighs the vehicle down is payload, pointed out tongue weight which weighs the vehicle down, then supplied the picture and you are still not understanding. Cargo includes tongue weight. Toyota or Ford or anyone else.


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Old 06-02-2016, 10:50 AM   #46
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Here is the emailed response from Toyota on my query about this. The wording from the agent is a little muddy, but the inserted drawing makes clear that cargo does not include tongue weight.

"You are correct, the Payload refers to the passengers and cargo, and anything that weighs the vehicle down. The weight for the hitch is the tongue weight."


The tongue weight is not included in the Cargo, using Toyota's definition.

The problem with this is that if you look at the sticker on the door jamb, it says 'Occupants and Cargo', not 'Occupants and Cargo and tongue weight', and not 'Payload'.


Ford documentation mixes it up. Sometimes they treat tongue weight as included in cargo, and other times make a point of adding cargo and tongue weight as two separate items. Where it matters most, I agree that Ford is pretty clear that the door jamb sticker reports payload.

For a Toyota, you can't look at the sticker on the door jamb for the payload rating. It only says 'Occupants and Cargo', and as shown by my wife's 4Runner, payload capacity could be higher.
it looks to me it clearly shows that TW is part of max cargo . not separate from it
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Old 06-02-2016, 11:01 AM   #47
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Old 06-02-2016, 11:42 AM   #48
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Tongue weight displaces cargo so would come under the Cargo designation on the sticker.
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Old 06-02-2016, 11:46 AM   #49
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They said anything that weighs the vehicle down is payload, pointed out tongue weight which weighs the vehicle down, then supplied the picture and you are still not understanding. Cargo includes tongue weight. Toyota or Ford or anyone else.

that's what I took from it also

imo, folks are getting stuck on semantics vs looking big picture. Gyrogearloose seems hung up on the fact they define payload as people + "cargo" + "anything else..." while the door sticker just says "people + cargo."

the whole point of the sticker is to show how much weight you can add to the vehicle. "payload" (the # on sticker in the door), includes people, "stuff" in the vehicle, and tongue weight (i.e. "anything that weighs the vehicle down," per the email from Toyota). I read Toyota's email the same as Ford's explanation in the manual I quoted above, only Toyota didn't directly say "payload is shown on the sticker." both Ford and Toyota's door stickers are worded similarly, as are the explanations.

heck, it may be some gov't regulation requiring the wording on the sticker...

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it looks to me it clearly shows that TW is part of max cargo . not separate from it
X2! It even says don't exceeded the GVWR which you get the Cargo Capacity by weight the vehicle and subtracting it from the GVWR. With TT attached you still can't exceeded you Gross Vehicle Weight Ratings.

The description next to pictures last sentence says "and the tongue weight." Couldn't be clear to me!
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