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Old 05-24-2016, 10:30 PM   #1
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f150 ecoboost towing again

Ok, I'm not trying to start something, just getting a sanity check. I'm about to sell my bumper pull TT and buying something that fits my wife and me better. The camper dealer swears my f150 ecoboost will tow this 5th wheel we fell in love with. 8000 lbs dry and 1340 hitch. Problem is I'm an engineer and too anal to take his word. I told them i didn't believe it. He sent me to a ford dealer, who coincidentally is owned by the same company, to find a nice f250 for us. That salesman swears the ecoboost will pull the 5th wheel. He's not trying to sell me a new TV. Interesting and appears he's honest but misinformed. He took my vin number and researched the f150. He swears mine is capable of 9400lbs towing, which I can believe, and 2400lbs cargo, which I don't. He says the 1136 max weight on the door sticker is occupants only and the bed will handle an additional 2400lbs. I told him to get a second opinion. He asked his truck manager and fleet manager and they agree with him. I haven't changed my opinion. Please tell me I'm correct in doubting him. As much as I love the 5th wheel I don't want to go into debt right now to buy a new camper and an f250. Convince me I'm wrong. Oh, my TV has the 3.55 gear ratio and does not have the max tow.
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:44 PM   #2
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Yes, you are correct and they are wrong. It's amazing how much misinformation you can get at truck and RV dealers. Just read the wording on the yellow sticker and it will tell you occupants AND cargo can not exceed xxx.


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Old 05-25-2016, 12:20 AM   #3
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Uggh, I hate stupid or at best ignorant sales people. All you have to do is also look at your axle ratings and actual scale weights to determine how much payload you have also if someone doesn't believe the yellow sticker.

Reminds me when I went to buy my 4 golf car batteries from a local Sams Club. The golf cart batteries were already one year old and I declined on the purchase. The tire and battery associate said that the date of manufacturer meant nothing because the warranty starts on the purchase date. He never heard of self-discharge and requirement for batteries in storage, even when new, to be charged at least once every 6 months. Ughhhhh!

Your ecoboost has enough engine to tow the weight but unfortunately you are limited on cargo carrying capacity. Please skip the 250 and get a 350. The extra cargo carrying capacity will come in handy when you decide to upgrade. Most 250's are good for 2000-2400 lbs of cargo carrying capacity which isn't much.
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Old 05-27-2016, 10:40 AM   #4
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LOL. I never believe sales people because 99% of the time I know more then they do. Glad you did your research. Most people don't and get screwed.
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Old 05-27-2016, 11:05 AM   #5
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I'm also an engineer, also have an F150 EcoBoost, and also had the same problem. I bought a 2015 Tundra based on the dealer's words that the 'Cargo and Occupants' rating doesn't include tongue weight. I then asked for the curb weight of my vehicle and subtracted from GVWR to get load capacity including tongue weight. When I subsequently weighed the truck, it turned out that the dealer had told me a generic curb weight and the truck was a lot heavier. The implication was that load capacity was too low. I forced the dealer to take the truck back and swapped for a new F150 with an adequate payload rating (aluminum body helps a lot).

Part of the problem here is that the "Cargo plus Passenger" rating on the sticker on the truck really does not have to equal the 'Payload Capacity' that includes weight on the hitch. For my Ford F150, the owner's manual says to use "Cargo plus Passenger" as "Payload". For my wife's 4Runner, the "Cargo plus Passenger" rating on the sticker is lower than the "Payload" rating because the hitch receiver can carry additional weight that the passenger compartment can't.

Bottom line is to pay attention to GVWR and don't exceed it.
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Funny my F150 sticker says "The combined weights of occupants and cargo should not exceed .....". Now an attorney might debate the difference between "should" and "must" but it seems clear enough to me.
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Old 05-27-2016, 11:53 AM   #7
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I know a guy that works in the Kansas City F150 plant and I ask him to ask the guy that does the weighting and this is what he came back with.

GVWR = Curb Weight - All Fluids Full - NO Diver or Passengers.

Tow Ratings = Curb Weight - All Fluids Full - One 154 lbs Driver

Camper that sits in the Bed = Curb Weight - All Fluids Full - 154 lbs person per seat belt.
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Funny my F150 sticker says "The combined weights of occupants and cargo should not exceed .....". Now an attorney might debate the difference between "should" and "must" but it seems clear enough to me.
If you call the Toyota factory and ask, the word 'cargo' does not include weight on the hitch. I've been told this twice. This doesn't mean that 'Occupants and Cargo' doesn't equal 'Payload', but it says that it might not. Again, in the case of my wife's 4Runner, the two are not equal. Occupants and Cargo is lower because the passenger compartment can't take as much weight as the hitch receiver. In either case GVWR is a maximum that shouldn't be exceeded.
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Exactly my take.

I have and am allowed 2750 in my f250 based ion camper rating.
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Exactly my take.

I have and am allowed 2750 in my f250 based ion camper rating.
I covet your F250!

My 2015 F150 has a 1720lb payload capacity (same number for Occupants & Cargo).
This just barely works towing my 30ft ultralight travel trailer when loaded and also carrying my family.
Salesmen were all confident that I'd have plenty of margin, and were wrong.
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