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Old 12-13-2017, 10:29 AM   #1
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F150 instead of ram

Looks like we are going to get the 2018 F150 instead of the ram. Both are V8. Ford has 1800 Lbs payload, ram is 1500 lbs. both pull right around 9200 Lbs. The trailer we want has dry weight of 6500 and TW of 701. Will this work out ok? I have been asking a lot of questions and researching a lot as well. I just want to get it right.
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:39 AM   #2
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I pulled just about the same weight with my 03 F150 5.3 for several years and pulled the same TT with a 13 1500 Silverado 5.4...both were Crew Cabs without any issues at all in 9 years.
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:02 PM   #3
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The rule i have read is trailer loaded shouldnt be more than 80% tow rating. If thats 9000 lbs 7200lbs loaded give or take. The bed of the truck has a payload of 1800 now minus passengers, gear in bed and that will give you ur max tongue weight.
I would do airbags, did it on my 14 silverado 1500 and loved it. Traded up to a 2500 cause the trailer i wanted maxed out the 1500
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:47 PM   #4
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Dry weight does not provide enough information. What is the gross weight loaded on the trailer?

At 1800 payload and 9200 towing This looks doable but could come close depending on how you pack and how many people and what the gross weight of the trailer is.

I have 3 people with a similar weight trailer and payload (16 f150) but we pack heavy. I have less than 100lbs of payload left packing light. It was bad towing at first (pull was fine but lots of wiggle). I made adjustments to the WDH setup (never trust a dealer) and pack lighter now.

Lesson I learned is know how to tune your WDH when close on the numbers as it makes a huge difference. If you can manage with a lighter trailer or the bigger truck I would. I regret not getting a larger truck for the trailer I bought. The truck can pull it fine but it is a tight rope if your setup is not spot on.
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Old 12-13-2017, 01:01 PM   #5
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My 2011 F 150 4 WD, Super Crew, 5.0L has been pulling about the same weight TT around the northern California Sierra, up to 10,000 msl since I bought it new. It pulls like a dream with between 10 and 12 mpg. Without the TT, my max MPG runs 20 to 23. It rides better than any sedan I ever owned. I would buy a new one, if I could afford $70,000.
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Old 12-13-2017, 01:25 PM   #6
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I've got a 16 F150 Ecoboost with max tow. our 2018 Toy hauler 5th wheel is rated for just over 11,990 fully loaded Pin weight is 1700 lbs off the site.
UVW is 8,420 LBS.
The trailer will never see over 1100 lbs when loaded.
max tow for our truck off the Ford 2016 brochure is: Maximum Towing (12,200 lbs.) Payload (3,240 lbs.)

no issues towing... so even with the truck you are expressing interest in and the trailer you plan to haul you should be ok. IMHO
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Old 12-13-2017, 01:28 PM   #7
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Are you using a weight distribution hitch (WDH)?.
If you are, it sure looks like it needs adjusted. It is lifting the nose way too high. I tow with a very similar vehicle and very similar trailer and mine sits completely flat but I did have how to adjust the hitch a bit more than what they had set at the RV dealer.

I have a GMC with the 6.2L 6 speed and it only has issues on long 9% grades in 108 degree heat. I had to slow down and rev a little higher to keep the tranny below 220 degrees. I was fully loaded and at the end of a 400 mile drive.in a mountain range so I expect most trucks would have been a little hot. My theory is that thee higher RPMs allow the tranny fluid to move faster and cool better.
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Old 12-13-2017, 01:31 PM   #8
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1800lbs payload is much better than 1500lbs payload.
More payload is always better.
That's why I chose the F150, over the Chevy/GMC, Ram and Tundra.
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I've got a 16 F150 Ecoboost with max tow. our 2018 Toy hauler 5th wheel is rated for just over 11,990 fully loaded Pin weight is 1700 lbs off the site.
UVW is 8,420 LBS.
The trailer will never see over 1100 lbs when loaded.
max tow for our truck off the Ford 2016 brochure is: Maximum Towing (12,200 lbs.) Payload (3,240 lbs.)

no issues towing... so even with the truck you are expressing interest in and the trailer you plan to haul you should be ok. IMHO
Those look like F250 numbers. Where did you get that? I want one.

My 16 f150 with max tow gets 1800lbs payload maybe 1900lbs without some options. I would almost be at payload with your pin weight. If you meant 150 then I want to know where you shop for your trucks and what I missed because I bought all wrong. Tow numbers are right fro f150 but payload is very high.
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Those look like F250 numbers. Where did you get that? I want one.

My 16 f150 with max tow gets 1800lbs payload maybe 1900lbs without some options. I would almost be at payload with your pin weight. If you meant 150 then I want to know where you shop for your trucks and what I missed because I bought all wrong.

Are you running Ecoboost with max tow or a different engine with lighter rear end?

I'm looking in another year for the Diesel F150 with max tow which is over 13,000 lbs towing capacity.

http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/...e_r3_Nov12.pdf
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I've got a 16 F150 Ecoboost with max tow. our 2018 Toy hauler 5th wheel is rated for just over 11,990 fully loaded Pin weight is 1700 lbs off the site.
UVW is 8,420 LBS.
The trailer will never see over 1100 lbs when loaded.
max tow for our truck off the Ford 2016 brochure is: Maximum Towing (12,200 lbs.) Payload (3,240 lbs.)

no issues towing... so even with the truck you are expressing interest in and the trailer you plan to haul you should be ok. IMHO
I have never seen an f150 with over 3K payload, the only conceivable way I could even see coming close to that would be a 2wd standard cab with manual windows and locks, etc..
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Old 12-13-2017, 02:14 PM   #12
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Ford is so far ahead of General Motors in payload and towing capacity it is no contest. General Motors even admitted it doesn’t want to compete in the heavy duty pickup truck market.
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Old 12-13-2017, 02:17 PM   #13
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my error. in looking at the first spec sheet posted it did seem high in retrospect.


My Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight (lbs.) according to the spec sheet is 11,400 lbs. with 18 inch tires.
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Please take your rig down and get it weighed at a scale. That way you will know for sure what you have and if it will work. Load everyone who will be travelling with you and fill your fuel tank when you weigh the truck and get ready for a big surprise!
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Are you running Ecoboost with max tow or a different engine with lighter rear end?

I'm looking in another year for the Diesel F150 with max tow which is over 13,000 lbs towing capacity.

http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/...e_r3_Nov12.pdf
Yea you are right it says that. It must be a unicorn number. Only way to know payload I saw before was the yellow sticker on the door.

If you look at CCC lower down there is nothing near that though which is interesting. I have looked high and low and never saw one on a lot over 1900 and that was an XLT with a max payload package. It was not 3k though. Live and learn I guess.

Sorry for the highjack. I now return you to your intended thread.

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Buy an American made Tundra it has plenty of capacity.
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Only 1 driver and 1 passenger, no pets, don't travel with water or refuge in the tanks, limited food (always buy it where we end up.)

2 very light televisions about 15 lbs. combined and limited clothing. (I've learned to pack not DW)

Travel with generally 1/2 tank of fuel because the further south we travel the cheaper it gets. It also gives DW a reason for a toilet break.

Summer bedding.

No generator. And the blocking everyone seems to love to haul weighing 100 or so pounds doesn't leave the house.

We individually weighed items taken into the trailer last summer at 294 lbs total including dishes and pans (3)

Trailer will never meet the F-150 5th-WHEEL TOWING– Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight (lbs.) as listed of 11,400 lbs. on their site.
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We had a 2009 Ford F150 5.4 liter with the tow package. The manual claimed a towing capacity of 11,200 pounds. The trailer was a Keystone Hornet 30BHS with a dry weight of 7,200 pounds and an equalizer 10,000 pound rating. Measured weights were 9,400 pounds and the tongue weight was 1,140 pounds. With some moving of stored material (and removal) managed to get the tongue weight down to 1,080 pounds (the dry tongue weight was 780 pounds). Pulled and handled fine 99.8 percent of the time. We now have a Ram 3500, I could not be convinced to go lighter on that size and weight of a trailer. The 0.2 percent scared the **** out of us. An example was heading south on I-5 and crossing the bridge on Lake Shasta, the heavy trailer was in control for what seemed to be forever, sure it was only a second or two but it was enough to make us upgrade to a bigger truck that can pull this size of trailer safely.
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Not payload capacity.
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Only 1 driver and 1 passenger, no pets, don't travel with water or refuge in the tanks, limited food (always buy it where we end up.)

2 very light televisions about 15 lbs. combined and limited clothing. (I've learned to pack not DW)

Travel with generally 1/2 tank of fuel because the further south we travel the cheaper it gets. It also gives DW a reason for a toilet break.

Summer bedding.

No generator. And the blocking everyone seems to love to haul weighing 100 or so pounds doesn't leave the house.

We individually weighed items taken into the trailer last summer at 294 lbs total including dishes and pans (3)

Trailer will never meet the F-150 5th-WHEEL TOWING– Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight (lbs.) as listed of 11,400 lbs. on their site.
I would get the CCC for your truck from the door pillar and not the brochure with footnotes.

You manage packing way better than I can. I got the max tow weight from that document as the manual has the same table so no point looking elsewhere.

I would love to find an f150 with that much payload. Even on the sheet the max they showed was 2800 and that was a 2wd std cab but every truck is different.
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