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Old 08-19-2016, 09:56 PM   #41
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Well, that certainly clears things up! �� Really, thanks for all the input. Think I'll wait on the 2017 250 comes out and give it a test ride. I think I read somewhere that you wouldn't need a WDH with the 250. Seems pretty extreme for a 34' 8000 pound trailer.

I'll look at mine during daylight but ~~ I think my F350 says 8500 without a WDH. Now ~ there are 2 inserts from 2" to 3" bars..
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Old 08-19-2016, 10:06 PM   #42
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So what's the issue with the 250 gas engine?

I had an F-150 with the ecoboost great truck but traded up to an F-250 Diesel. Best decision I've made. I now have a bigger tow capacity more power and we have moved up to a 5th wheel. Diesel is best for mountain pulls as well. In a week and a half we are headed for Yellowstone with the new rig.
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Old 08-19-2016, 10:41 PM   #43
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Other than maybe the new 2017 F250 I would also skip right to the F350 as you did if I went to a large fifth wheel some day instead of the 37' TT we have now. My F150 max tow is 11,200 (Screw) and 3160 payload but the max rear axle load is 4050#. I am about 20% below most of the max weights but Ford told me to stay a minimum of 10% below the chart for ease of mind. The max WDH hitch weight is 1130#. Any fifth wheel of the same length would be pushing or over the limits.
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There is something seriously wrong with your numbers you are posting. First a F150 a 3160 payload and not being a HD Payload truck with a 4050 axle weights. If that is the correct payload numbers it would mean that you rear axle weights unloaded would be some where in the 600 to 800 lbs range and they should be around 2200lbs. You need to look at your door jam at the yellow sticker and that your real payload numbers for your truck, those numbers on the website are not real world numbers.

Also that 11,200 lbs towing is based of a 150lbs driver and base truck with zero options. To find out the real max towing weight you would have to know the weight of your truck ready to camping and subtract it from the Gross Combined Weight Ratings and that will give you the Max Tow Ratings (truck and RV together) for your truck not some website stripped down truck.
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Well, that certainly clears things up! 😳 Really, thanks for all the input. Think I'll wait on the 2017 250 comes out and give it a test ride. I think I read somewhere that you wouldn't need a WDH with the 250. Seems pretty extreme for a 34' 8000 pound trailer.
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If you're in the mountains a lot, you'll need the engine braking from the diesel.


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Higher than my 2016 F250 but a little lower than my 2016 F350. As my wife says ~~ "you can tell the age of the boys by the price of their toys".
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Well, that certainly clears things up! �� Really, thanks for all the input. Think I'll wait on the 2017 250 comes out and give it a test ride. I think I read somewhere that you wouldn't need a WDH with the 250. Seems pretty extreme for a 34' 8000 pound trailer.
I saw that in one on the promo videos that WDH not required for 2017 F250 and F350 HD trucks. I think I will take a wait and see on that claim and be waiting to hear the reviews from real world experiences.
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I saw that in one on the promo videos that WDH not required for 2017 F250 and F350 HD trucks. I think I will take a wait and see on that claim and be waiting to hear the reviews from real world experiences.

If I were to ever pull a TT again, I'd still use a WDH with sway control,,, no question on a single axel over 1500#.
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I saw that in one on the promo videos that WDH not required for 2017 F250 and F350 HD trucks. I think I will take a wait and see on that claim and be waiting to hear the reviews from real world experiences.
From my understanding, the new Fords claim that a WDH is not needed because they increased the receiver size to 3", and thus the hitch itself can handle heavier tongue weights. That does not mean the rest of the truck can handle it. It also doesn't mean that you don't need sway control, nor does it mean that you won't unload the front axle, overload the rear axle, or just shove the rear axle down on the bump stops with a really heavy trailer... unless they have an air suspension option.
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