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Old 08-20-2016, 06:46 AM   #51
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The heavy duty trucks are a step up. Both performance and price. Class 6 hitch? Maybe RVer's have taken a bridge too far.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/auto/2...es-super-duty/
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Old 08-20-2016, 06:56 AM   #52
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If you're in the mountains a lot, you'll need the engine braking from the diesel.


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The mountains were there long before pickup trucks, RVs and, let alone, engine brakes. Somehow, people managed to descend them without a problem.

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Old 08-20-2016, 08:37 AM   #53
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F150 or F250

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The mountains were there long before pickup trucks, RVs and, let alone, engine brakes. Somehow, people managed to descend them without a problem.



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I do it all the time, but braking is the weak link on my F150. All 4 brake rotors were warped by 22k miles, then replaced/upgraded at 42k miles.

I love the Ecoboost engine. Personally wouldn't want any V8-gas over it. Plenty of power for me pulling 8700 lbs loaded. Never been full throttle while towing, as some gassers have described on this forum, but I have "tweaked" mine a little.


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Old 08-20-2016, 09:06 AM   #54
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My F 250 is shorter by 2 inches than the F 150 and the truck parks a lot easier with the steering gearbox ratio designed for heavy loads.
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Old 08-20-2016, 09:35 AM   #55
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The mountains were there long before pickup trucks, RVs and, let alone, engine brakes. Somehow, people managed to descend them without a problem.

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Very true but when I ram Wolfe Creek Pass in the past the TT weighed less than 7500#. Today at double that the engine brake makes the trip much more comfortable and safer
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Old 08-20-2016, 10:38 AM   #56
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Looking at buying new tow vehicle and debating between the F150 with max tow pkg or F250.... I've driven large SUVs for the last 20 years and really like the ride and comfort. My TT weighs in at 6800 pounds dry weight. Currently pulling with a Navigator with so so results.... I would like to tow into the Rockies... but I'm not sure how much I'd be giving up in ride and comfort by moving up to the 250.
I think you need to post your approx. budget and whether you are only considering new 2016-2017 models, etc. & plan to keep the same TT for a while.

I tow our 8,000 (loaded) TT with a 2011 Ram 2500 CC w/5.7 Hemi which tows great throughout the Smoky Mountains. With a $125 P3 brake controller setup properly, I don't need an engine brake... However, it's a little stiff as a daily driver & averages 16-17 mpg on my mostly hwy daily commute. Therefore I have considered "upgrading" to the F150 EB w/HD payload package if/when finances allow...

IMO the 2016 F150 EB with HD upgrade, not just tow upgrade, is more like an entry level 3/4 ton with its HD payload capacity of 2,600-3,000 depending on cab, tires & trim... With a tow rating of 11,000+ & GCVW of 17,000+ it has better specs than my entry-level 2011 Ram 2500 (3,000 payload, 9,100 tow, 15,000 GCVW). The F150 EB w/HD upgrade is rated at 15 mpg city/20 mpg hwy & has a 36 gallon tank allowing 4 hours between stops (towing @ 8-9 mpg) vs. my current 3 hours...

However, the HD upgrade is pricey & creates a stiffer ride (for a F150...) So, for the same price I can get the more capable Ram 2500 CC w/6.4 Hemi which has HD coil springs vs. leaf springs for a better ride than my older 2500. The 6.4 gets the same mpg as my 5.7 but w/4.10 gears has a tow rating of 15,600 & 3,200 payload. This would handle a decent 5er for me & DW when kids go to college, the F150 would not... (I would actually pick a 3500 vs. 2500 but the OP was asking about 150 vs. 250...)

Ram has a 5 year / 100K mile warranty vs. Ford's 3 Year / 60K. At 96K miles Ram replaced my Hemi, no questions asked, so I'm pretty loyal right now... Although the F150 EB is clearly the best 1/2 ton for towing, the Big Three all make great 3/4 & 1 ton choices.

IMO diesel is NOT good for a daily commuter w/short trips... Better for full-timers, but not for us still working... The engine/turbo never have enough time to warm-up & cool-down properly like w/long hauls & you'll encounter pricier maintenance issues about the time the warranty expires. The new emissions, DEF, etc. will lead to issues sooner than the diesel engines we all grew up with... Don't expect to go 250K miles trouble-free anymore.... (Maintained fleet of gas/diesels for a number of years...)
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I've got a '15 F350 SRW oil burner as my personal ride; and had a '15 F250 gasser for a work truck... I can compare head to head, apples to apples.

Both very capable - the gasser pulled an 8000# generator trailer without issues - but the high RPMs and horrific mileage pushed me towards the diesel when I bought my personal truck.

I upgraded from a '13 F150 5.0 - which could pull my trailer (about 8800# loaded) - but was working harder than I wanted - to the 350.

I skipped the 250 for one simple reason - the 250 and 350 are essentially the same truck; but for all of about $2,000 more, I got a higher legal weight limit - that's not an issue now, but for the 5th wheel that's coming, it will be a concern. Without inviting the weight police into this discussion - if you need or want more truck than a 1/2t - I can't think of any reason NOT to go straight to a 1t.
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I've got a '15 F350 SRW oil burner as my personal ride; and had a '15 F250 gasser for a work truck... I can compare head to head, apples to apples.

Both very capable - the gasser pulled an 8000# generator trailer without issues - but the high RPMs and horrific mileage pushed me towards the diesel when I bought my personal truck.

I upgraded from a '13 F150 5.0 - which could pull my trailer (about 8800# loaded) - but was working harder than I wanted - to the 350.

I skipped the 250 for one simple reason - the 250 and 350 are essentially the same truck; but for all of about $2,000 more, I got a higher legal weight limit - that's not an issue now, but for the 5th wheel that's coming, it will be a concern. Without inviting the weight police into this discussion - if you need or want more truck than a 1/2t - I can't think of any reason NOT to go straight to a 1t.
I agree 100%. After buying 3 new trucks in 13 months.
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Old 08-20-2016, 11:31 AM   #59
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I have a 2016 F150 with the EcoBoost and Max Tow. I took a trip to Pismo Beach last weekend.

I didn't weigh her but with water full and a 110 lb generator in the truck bed I was riding on the bump stops off and on the whole trip. Up and down the grades I averaged 6.1 MPG.

After that experience I'm currently in the market for new truck. I towed the trailer a couple of times with the 2016 but they were short trips and it was fine. Anything longer than 30 miles or so calls for heavier.

TT is 35.5 ft bumper to bumper and about 8,300 lbs loaded for travel. Technically it is within all of the trucks specs and weights. Practically it's just too much for the truck on a regular basis. DW loves the truck but after the last experience even she says it's time.
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Old 08-20-2016, 11:57 AM   #60
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It sounds like maybe you are missing a WDH rather than anything to do with the truck.

I was at my RV dealer today and spoke to the guy who sets up the hitches and tests them and he thinks folks may be using bigger trucks to be making up for poor configurations and setups. I guess that is one way to skin a cat. He has been doing this for about thirty years and throughout the history and growth in performance on these trucks. He said for as long as he can remember that folks just keep expecting more from them. He was referring to the boost in the 2017 heavy duty platform.

The MSRP is about $80k for a 2017 F350 the way I would want it configured.
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