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Old 08-15-2016, 07:48 PM   #31
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another_newfie, does the "HD" in your "F-150HD" mean you have the heavy duty payload package? If so, your "1/2 ton" has a payload capacity closer to that of a 3/4 ton truck than a typical 1/2 ton. The OP needs to understand this.

"It can be done, can be done safely and can be done well within ratings."

In your case that's absolutely true, it's just that the "within ratings" part is unlikely for your average 1/2 ton with a GVWR in the 7000# (or less) range.

"Do the math, understand the numbers and understand the implications of those numbers."

I agree 100%.
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Old 08-15-2016, 08:10 PM   #32
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Yes my truck has the HD payload. I ordered my truck specifically for towing. It's payload is just shy of 2200lbs. You don't often find lot trucks like mine.


You are absolutely correct in that the OP may not realize that. Thanks for pointing it out.


My main point was regarding doing the math himself/herself. It is ultimately up to the end user to understand their own numbers.


Irks me for sure when the usual posters drop in, say 'yes but can you stop it', 'you will kill us all' type nonsense.
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Old 08-16-2016, 07:46 AM   #33
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I am successfully pulling a 5er with my F150. We just did a 5,500 mile trip; including up and over Vail Pass and through the Eisenhower tunnel. No issues. Did need to use 1st gear on the descent to control speed and to spare the brakes.

My payload is 1820 and my dry pin is 1050, so there is 800 pounds for passengers and wet pin weight. There is no traditional basement in my 5er; the storage is at the rear. With the exception of the fresh water tank (which we keep nearly empty), the black tank and gray tanks are either over the axles or behind the axles. Loaded I am within specs and 3,000 under total gross vehicle weight. Yes, I've weighed every axle, GVW, etc. Wet pin is about 1250 and total trailer weight is 7800 loaded. Dry pin weight is 17% of dry trailer weight.

The truck handles the load just fine; settling about 1 1/4 inches. I did have some issues in crosswinds of 20 mph or more. A Hellwig rear anti-roll bar was added and the issue is gone.

If you are going to do this, you have to pay strict attention to capacities and trailer design. And I highly recommend the Hellwig. 5er choices will be limited and a HD payload package would give you a few more choices.

Take care. Be safe. Have fun.
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So the real answer to the question is "maybe". If you have the right truck with the right specs and the right trailer, "yes". There are so many truck combinations out there that its really hard to be in the ball park for what you want. Another_newfie has illustrated this perfectly. RV dealers will ask what kind of truck you have. And then they will take the top towing number for "that truck" and sell you whatever. But just because a 2 wheel drive, single cab, ecoboost with an 8' bed can tow 12,200 doesn't mean a 4X4, super crew, ecoboost with a 5.5' bed can also tow 12,200. There are a lot of variables, as well as personal preferences that cant be measured. Good luck figuring it out
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I agree with High Desert. I have a Wildcat fiver that is half ton towable but loaded it has a tongue weight of 2000 pounds verified but a scale. Check weights before you tow!
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So the real answer to the question is "maybe". If you have the right truck with the right specs and the right trailer, "yes". There are so many truck combinations out there that its really hard to be in the ball park for what you want. Another_newfie has illustrated this perfectly. RV dealers will ask what kind of truck you have. And then they will take the top towing number for "that truck" and sell you whatever. But just because a 2 wheel drive, single cab, ecoboost with an 8' bed can tow 12,200 doesn't mean a 4X4, super crew, ecoboost with a 5.5' bed can also tow 12,200. There are a lot of variables, as well as personal preferences that cant be measured. Good luck figuring it out
X2...Sad that dealers are aloud to get away with it...but I want to point out that this goes for all size trucks not just for 1/2 tons. There are several people using 3/4 trucks that are in the same boat but might not realize it because they have a HD truck. It has been said dozens of times in this thread and several others. Of course it is possible as long as certain variables are met. I do it and enjoy it, but I have no issue saying there is an HD in my future. Good luck with all of this...it really is worth it in the end.
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. Loaded I am within specs and 3,000 under total gross vehicle weight. Yes, I've weighed every axle, GVW, etc. Wet pin is about 1250 and total trailer weight is 7800 loaded. Dry pin weight is 17% of dry trailer weight.
Pay Load rating is the difference between the truck really weights and Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. So if you 3000 lbs under GVWR plus the pin weight would that mean you have a payload of 4250 lbs

Another way to look at it is if your GVWR is 7200 lbs and your 3000 lbs below that plus 1250 pin weight you truck only weights 2950 unloaded.

I'm I missing something here?
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Pay Load rating is the difference between the truck really weights and Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. So if you 3000 lbs under GVWR plus the pin weight would that mean you have a payload of 4250 lbs

Another way to look at it is if your GVWR is 7200 lbs and your 3000 lbs below that plus 1250 pin weight you truck only weights 2950 unloaded.

I'm I missing something here?
Sorry, meant to say 3,000 under gross COMBINED vehicle weight. My GVW is 7700; right at the vehicle's rating.
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Sorry, meant to say 3,000 under gross COMBINED vehicle weight. My GVW is 7700; right at the vehicle's rating.
That kind makes more sense but you do know the combine rating they list on the websites are for a base vehicle with no options passengers or cargo. This video explains how to get you the correct combined rate rating for you vehicle just like you have to for your true payload ratings.

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That kind makes more sense but you do know the combine rating they list on the websites are for a base vehicle with no options passengers or cargo. This video explains how to get you the correct combined rate rating for you vehicle just like you have to for your true payload ratings.

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I'm 3,000 under including passengers and options. Everything has been scaled; axle by axle and totals.
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