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Old 01-05-2014, 06:29 PM   #1
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F150HD or F250?

Hey guys, a friend of mine just recently had his truck get totaled out so he is buying a new one, but he is having a tough time deciding what he should get. He is looking at either a F150 with HD payload, HD tow package Ecoboost or F250 with tow package and 6.2L, both are crew cab-4X4-Lariats. And both trucks are roughly the same price as he has them optioned.

Here is a brief back ground: First off he doesn't want a diesel and he is looking at NEW trucks. He only puts about 6000 miles a year on the truck with about 2000-2500 miles towing a 7000lb 28' TT, the rest of the miles is pretty much highway miles (running empty) as they usually take the truck on longer trips. He has been thinking about maybe getting a 28ish ft 5th wheel in 2-4 years.

I know that both trucks have their advantages and disadvantages, so what do you guys think?
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Old 01-05-2014, 06:44 PM   #2
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I say go with the F250 it leaves room for trailer upgrades. Anyone who has been doing this any amount of time knows all about upgrades.
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The only advise I can give is, “buy for the future”. If he gets the F250 he will have room to grow. I hear a lot about folks towing the same TT I have with a maxed out F150, and after towing mine for the first time with my F250 I don’t see how they do it. Not saying it can’t be done, but I would want more truck for a TT the size I have. I won’t start a gas vs diesel thread, but the 6.2 is a beast and if he won’t be towing much it may be the better option.
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Hands down F-250. Better a little extra than not enough. Overall weight and size of the F-250 will be way more comforting towing anything.
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X2 on both the above replies. I went that route with a F150, upgraded to a 5er, and now have a F250. Wish I would have planned for the future! Would have saved thousands $$$$.
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Old 01-05-2014, 07:10 PM   #6
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F250 without question.

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Old 01-05-2014, 07:13 PM   #7
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I have an F250, should have spent the extra coin to get a F350.
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Old 01-05-2014, 07:34 PM   #8
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well I would say the 3/4 ton but the 6.2 is a gas hog. we are seeing 10-13 on the hyw with our companys regcab, long box 4x 2013. but if looking ahead at another heaver camper the 3/4 is the way to go
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The 150 as described would be OK with a 28' Fiver 2-4 years from now, but it will be tired and worn out. And your friend probably won't be happy with the wrestling match on bumpy roads and highways. The problem with the 150 is they are tough to find with both HD option and in the color or model he may want (at least around here) The 250 gives you much better towing and stability and will be more than enough for a 28ish 5R down the road, depending on pin weight of course, but in the 28-29' range the pin weights on most are 1200-1800 lbs and a total weight if 8000-10000. Both are nice trucks.

I say, go with the 150 and then trade it in for a 250 in 4 years when he buys a new 5R. If he plans on keeping the truck for more than 4-5 years, go with the 250 now. Much more choices in the F250 as far as options, color than the F150 with the HD packages. He will be happier with the 250 in the long run and won't have to worry about being so close to payload capacity when he upgrades later.

A 350 would be overkill for a 28' Fifth Wheel in the 8-9 K range.
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Your friend needs to do some reading and studying.
Your friend needs to go to the local dealer and talk to the Fleet Sales Manager.
A heavily optioned truck will have a lower payload rating than a stripped down XL.
Ford shows the max payload on the website. That is not the kind of truck that most people buy.
I ordered my truck to get the maximum payload for a short bed single rear wheel truck with the gas engine.
Your friend needs to look at the yellow stickers on trucks on the lots and get realistic about passenger weight, cargo weight, tongue weight and pin weight for the current uses and for the future.
A SuperCrew F150 5.0 has the highest payload on the website.
The GVWR for an F250 is 10,000 lbs yet a Regular Cab XL 4x2 has a greater payload than my truck.
My truck is a 10,600 lb GVWR 4x4 SRW XLT Crew Cab with the camper package.
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Thanks for the replys so far guys!

We were out to eat with them when he told me what he was think about, he got a dirty/stunned look from his wife when he said that he had priced out a F250 also. Then I got an even dirtier look from her when I told him if he was going to get a F250 he mite as well just get a F350 since it wouldn't cost much more and it would be the same truck as the F250, but just more payload capacity for a bigger camper in the future.

He was liking the F150 because of the unloaded mileage, the dealer was telling him 19-20 unloaded on the highway with the Ecoboost vs 13-14 with the F250 6.2L. And the dealer said he would probably get 9-10 towing with the Eco and 8-9 with 6.2L, so basically a wash there. I was kinda surprised, the MPG numbers that the dealer gave him actually seemed to be about what I have seen from others posting online.
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He has a good dealer and he sounds like a smart guy!
Now start talking about dif ratios. I have the 4.30's. My truck is the first one my dealer has seen.
I'm using a tune from 5Star and I am seeing 1 mpg better around town than last week.
Have your friend register on this site. It will be good for him.
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I have an F250, should have spent the extra coin to get a F350.
Me too...

If both trucks are the same cost, bigger is better... F350 sounds even better.
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I have the 4.30's. My truck is the first one my dealer has seen.
I'm using a tune from 5Star and I am seeing 1 mpg better around town than last week.
Hey Twisty; What is 5Star?
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Hey Twisty; What is 5Star?
5 Star is a company that does custom tuning of a vehicles computer, here is their website Custom Dynomemeter Chassis Tuning Products and Services - 5 Star Tuning. They do primarily tuning of Fords, but have branched off to GMs and Rams in the last couple years.


Twisty, I sent him a link to this thread so maybe he will join and chime in, even though I have been trying to get him to join for over a year already.
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I recently sold my 2013 FX4 Eco-boost and purchased my F350 FX4 PSD. Before choosing the PSD I had made up my mind to go with the 6.2 gas motor. I test drove one and found it to be a gutless pig from a performance stand point. Now to be totally honest about it I made the mistake of driving the 6.7 diesel first. The two motors should never be compared to one another side by side from a performance view.

From the choices of vehicles he is looking at I would recommend the F250/350. One for payload value and the other for the 6.2 V8. The Eco-boost is an impressive motor, but not with out issues that have yet to be worked out. The 6.2 offers good HP and TQ, it is just the manner in which it is applied to the rear wheels that make it feel sluggish. Plus it is a naturally aspirated motor, sometimes simple has it's benefits.
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"...the 6.2 gas motor. I test drove one and found it to be a gutless pig from a performance stand point."
The tune also changes the tranny shift habits.
I broke the engine in hard and it has responded.
The 6.2 likes to spin so don't expect it to be as torky on the low end as the bunker fuel burner.
"The 6.2 offers good HP and TQ, it is just the manner in which it is applied to the rear wheels that make it feel sluggish."
It jumps pretty well with the low gears.
Don't make the mistake to think that it is easy to get over 7600 lbs going down the road.
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This engine with get it done, let it rev! As far as gears, I have the 3.73 which from all I have read is the same in 5th gear as 4.30 is in 6th. I usually lock out 6th when pulling anyway unless I’m on a dead flat road with no wind. The tranny on these things have a few options for controlling them and it is not as much of a weak point as it can be annoying if you let the computer control things.

EDIT...http://www.5startuning.com/product/x...-f150-3-7l-v6/

I run the 93 performance towing tune...
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I have always drove chevy's but if I could do it all over I would get a Ford F150 and pull my Cedar Creek with it. A Ford F150 is a pulling truck, I saw one pulling a Blue Ridge 41 ft fifth wheel in montana, I pull the 34 ft C/C with a 3500hd diesel but I would be better off with the F150, I don't pull the camper all the time. I would just keep the F150 for now and then when I got ready to trade for something else then look for another truck. You might get big eyes and get something a little bigger or want something bigger than 28ft. I wanted to keep the camper I wanted under 30ft but now days it's not always easy to find, not with anything on the camper. I would just keep the truck I had and take my time and look for a camper, then look for a truck to pull camper with. I had a 2500 diesel and I should have kept it, truck had air bags on it and a onboard TPMS and the 3500 does not plus the 3500 rides a little more firm
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"...the 6.2 gas motor. I test drove one and found it to be a gutless pig from a performance stand point."
The tune also changes the tranny shift habits.
I broke the engine in hard and it has responded.
The 6.2 likes to spin so don't expect it to be as torky on the low end as the bunker fuel burner.
"The 6.2 offers good HP and TQ, it is just the manner in which it is applied to the rear wheels that make it feel sluggish."
It jumps pretty well with the low gears.
Don't make the mistake to think that it is easy to get over 7600 lbs going down the road.
Come on over - I'll take you for a ride.
I didn't mean "Gutless Pig" in a bad way....really I didn't. It just didn't feel responsive in direct relation to the pedal push in the cab. It is a high rev motor bringing on the TQ and HP in a manner that while there doesn't register on the "Seat of the Pants" meter. I have no doubt that it will get the job done.

My latest gas motors before the test drive was that of my 2013 FX4 Eco-boost F150 and my 2007 F250 reg cab 6-speed manual 3V V10 both of which came on strong from the first nudge of the go pedal.

And I appreciate the offer to come over for a test drive, but there is really no need to do so. My son has a 2013 F150 Raptor with the 6.2 under hood, he invites me often to go with him in his truck. Things like to go pick up a sofa, lumber, and such. The kind of things that require two stout backs to load and unload....Bless his Heart!!!

There are times that I wish I had gone with the gasser over the diesel, and there are times I glad I went with the diesel over the gasser. Basic maintenance and fuel are less with the 6.2, but my MPG is higher on the diesel, but I do pay .70+ more a gallon.

I sure don't think anyone would be disappointed with the 6.2 over all. It just wasn't for me.
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