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Old 12-02-2015, 10:33 PM   #31
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Guys, if he has a F250 gas he isn't 8000lbs empty. I have a 3/4t gas and have a payload of 3104 according to my door sticker... a diesel version of my truck would have ~2200lbs.

Obviously a quick check of his door sticker would tell the story.

From the Ford towing and hauling info, a 2015 F250 gas crew cab has GVWR of 10,000 and max payload of 2312-2812 depending on configuration.

FWIW, same truck but diesel has 1586-2148 payload.
I have seen several F250 door stickers on diesel trucks ranging between 2300 and 2450 and these were crew cabs... My 2500HD Chevy had 2475 CC on the door tag.
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Old 12-02-2015, 10:34 PM   #32
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I have over 3000 lb payload. 2013 F250 6.2 2wd. Pulling 12,000 lb 5th wheel. All with in weight limits per cat scale 😄
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Old 12-02-2015, 10:40 PM   #33
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Sorry perhaps I posted my info in a confusing way. My 5er is 8058 dry not my 250. 5er was at 9k loaded for that 2 week trip. My 250 weighed just above 7500 lbs I believe it was. My payload sticker reads 2761 lbs.



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That makes more sense now.
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Old 12-02-2015, 10:50 PM   #34
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FWIW, same truck but diesel has 1586-2148 payload.
I looked at the tow guide and the numbers you quote are not the max CCC but the max weight of slide in camper with the camper option which is a lot less than you max CCC.

Here is a link to the tow guide.
https://www.ford.com/resources/ford/...U_r1_Jan12.pdf
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Old 12-02-2015, 11:29 PM   #35
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That makes more sense now.
Yeah it does. But after looking at it again I think it puts me like 100 lb over payload right? At least when my eldest boy is with us. But that's ok since the 17 year old is rarely with us while towing anyway. He marches drum corp in the summer and most of my towing happens traveling to see him perform all over the country. Either way the truck pulling the 5er does very well. I would have went 350 diesel but it was almost 9k more for the diesel 350 when I bought the 250 and didn't want the payment that high. Have to live within that budget ya know. Aah maybe I'll be able to manage the diesel 350 dually in 5 -10 years.

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Old 12-03-2015, 11:33 AM   #36
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Just FYI, my F-250 Lariat crew cab, 6.2L gas, 6'9" bed, 4x4 (but not FX4) with 18" wheels (with all-terrain tires), completely stock, has a door jam capacity of 2700lb, and iirc that's supposed to account for a full tank of gas (35 gallons) and 150lb for the driver (yeah, right! )

In my case, if I take off that 150lb allowance, and add the weight of all 4 of us (say 580 lb total), that leaves me with a capacity of 2270lb
My hitch and rails weigh in at about 190 lb (that's shipping weight for both, so no doubt a little lower in reality), so add that to the weight leaves 2080lb capacity

The pin weight of our fiver (one of the heaviest pin weight "ultra-light" trailers around) is around 1600 lb (unladen), leaving us 480lb "spare" capacity

Also remember that for most trucks the listed cargo capacity is artificially limited by the 10K GVWR "package" (just a regulatory thing so that the truck is not officially rated above 10K capacity for taxation reasons iirc) ... not that I'd suggest exceeding that capacity by much.

While the F-250 has been great towing our fifth wheel, I don't think I'd want to tow anything substantially heavier with it, not without modifications at least, purely due to how much the bed drops when hitched. Don't get me wrong, there's still plenty of clearance over the wheels, but I just wouldn't want a rough ride.

On the subject of ride, it's not the smoothest, but not too terrible either. I just wish I could prevent the front-to-back "chucking" (which tbh I think is due to the hitch head sliding back and forth on the mount it sits on (It's a Reese Titan 16K)), and some of the road bounce (which I guess is just having truck suspension).

I haven't actually weighed my truck/5er setup, and tbh have never had any experience using a weigh station (so any advice would be appreciated, IM is fine).

I hope some of this info/feedback is helpful to the OP.
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Old 12-03-2015, 11:39 AM   #37
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Yeah it does. But after looking at it again I think it puts me like 100 lb over payload right? At least when my eldest boy is with us. But that's ok since the 17 year old is rarely with us while towing anyway. He marches drum corp in the summer and most of my towing happens traveling to see him perform all over the country. Either way the truck pulling the 5er does very well. I would have went 350 diesel but it was almost 9k more for the diesel 350 when I bought the 250 and didn't want the payment that high. Have to live within that budget ya know. Aah maybe I'll be able to manage the diesel 350 dually in 5 -10 years.

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Hey, just noticed that we have exactly the same 5er, and almost identical trucks (mine's a 2016).
I'm surprised you seem over capacity, see my post right before this one (though mine is all just number-crunching, not actually based on weighing). I guess I'll read your previous replies more thoroughly.

I'd be interested to hear your experience with towing with your setup.
I get quite a bit of bounce while driving, and some "chucking" which I think comes from the forward/backward movement in the head of the Reese Titan 16K hitch, where the removable head sits on the frame.
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:15 PM   #38
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I'm surprised you seem over capacity, see my post right before this one (though mine is all just number-crunching, not actually based on weighing). I guess I'll read your previous replies more thoroughly.
The problem with just number crunching is the percentage of pin seems to creep up. Mine had a dry pin weight of just under 20% at 1950lbs but after loading it the pin percentage jumped to 24.1%.

Weighting the truck with a full tank fuel and what ever you have in the truck when you are towing without the RV hook up.

Then hook up the RV and weight again with the camper ready to go camping.

Pull onto the scales and push the talk button and tell the nice person on the intercom that you are getting personnel weights. After you weigh you can pull around and get you weight ticket.

Take those numbers and take to this page Towing Planner - towing capability calculators and plug the numbers is. I understand the page is done by a forum member here on Forest River Forums and probably the best one I have seen.
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Wow, quite the discussion here. Seems like the 6.2L is a descent engine. My truck now is is only rear wheel drive. Need to go 4x4 as I will be doing more snow covered roads in the future. My Ecoboost has been absolutely flawless pulling the TT that weighs in around 8000# loaded for a trip. If I go to a 5er, I want to make sure I've got a respectable payload and towing capacity in my next truck.
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The problem with just number crunching is the percentage of pin seems to creep up. Mine had a dry pin weight of just under 20% at 1950lbs but after loading it the pin percentage jumped to 24.1%.

Weighting the truck with a full tank fuel and what ever you have in the truck when you are towing without the RV hook up.

Then hook up the RV and weight again with the camper ready to go camping.

Pull onto the scales and push the talk button and tell the nice person on the intercom that you are getting personnel weights. After you weigh you can pull around and get you weight ticket.

Take those numbers and take to this page Towing Planner - towing capability calculators and plug the numbers is. I understand the page is done by a forum member here on Forest River Forums and probably the best one I have seen.
Thanks. Looks like a great resource.
Now to just find a local scales.
Can you just turn up at the truck weigh stations on the interstate, or is it best/necessary to find scales elsewhere ?
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