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Old 11-12-2018, 01:22 PM   #1
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F350 better than F250 ??

I must be missing something. Almost everyone recommends a 350 over a 250. Why? I downloaded the 2018 Ford Super Duty brochure because I am planning/hoping for a new tow vehicle in the next 6 months to a year. I scanned these charts directly from that brochure. Ford's own literature shows that a similar 250 has better payload and tow capacity. 170 lbs more payload and 200 lbs more tow. Why spend the extra 2 grand? Again, I must be missing something. What?
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Old 11-12-2018, 01:30 PM   #2
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First of all, the 350 will weigh slightly more than the 250. In the past, only difference was a set of helper springs (came with the 250 with camper package). Your towing number is limited by drivetrain, hence the slightly better number for the 250. Same combined weight for 350 and 250, but slightly heavier truck = slightly less trailer weight. As far as the payload goes, you're looking at the "derated" 350 number. You've always been able to get a 350 with a 9900 or 10K GVWR "package". The "package" amounts to a different sticker bringing the truck in at a lower GVWR for taxation/registration/insurance issues in certain locales. The "non derated" 350 will probably have a payload of around 1200-1400 more than a 250.
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Haven't looked a 4x2's honestly. I've never seen an F350 with a GVWR of below 11k. I'm sure they are out there for a reason but at least the 4x4 F350's I've found are all North of 11k making the payload numbers much higher.

So I think it just depends. If it was a diesel than most will say F350 because you get the extra payload that you lose with the F250. F250 v F350 gas, well again I believe it to be the same. I'm sure someone here will be able to say if there is truely a 9900lb GVWR F350 and why.

I have an F250 gas with the optional plow/camper package that gives me a slightly beefier more inline with the F350 suspension. I think at that point it just comes down to what the sticker says and how you can register them in states...

Long response with not much of an answer, but I am interested to see what people say...
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You're comparing the same GVWR between the two trucks. At the same GVWR the slightly heavier F350 will have less payload. But, with the F350, you can option for a higher GVWR. The difference between the 9900 GVWR you're comparing and the 11500 maximum GVWR is 1600 lbs.
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Actually, upon 2nd look, it appears as though you now only get ~500-600 pounds more payload. Typical SRW 350 GVWR has always been 11,400 11,500 (non derated). In the past, the trucks were almost identical, so going from 10K GVWR max of the 250 to the typical 11,400 of the 350 gave you almost 1400 pounds additional payload. Only explanation I can see is that there actually are structural differences in the 250 and 350 now and the 350 weighs 600-700 pounds more than a 250.
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Dustman's assessment is correct. It's about payload.

From what I understand, DRW's (available on the F350) give you a bit more stability as well which helps reduce the possiblity of sway.
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Not Ford, but Ram.. But just for giggles, I looked at a 2500 before I bought my 3500. EXACTLY the same truck with the exception of an Auto in the 2500 and a g56 in the 3500..2500 stickered at 1970, my 3500 stckers at 4190. Both SRW Diesels. I would imagine the ford having a similar difference. Hmmmm My son has a 2017 f 350, Ill look at it when I get home for giggles.
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Thanks for the responses so far. I was trying to compare trucks with the same engine and rear ends and GVWR/GCWR as shown in Ford's brochure. (See the chart I made from the brochure) I know not to try and compare trucks with different engines/rear ends/GVWR etc..

On Ford's "Build Your Own" webpage for the F250, the only GVWR package/upgrade choice is the "10,000/9,900 GVWR Package".

For the F350 there is that option plus a "11,400 GVWR package". However, it is only available with the PowerStroke. So I'm guessing that the standard gasser 350 is "derated" - and "derated" even below the 9,900 GVWR package, or else why would there be a 10,000/9,900 GVWR package option? ?????

I know that Ford's payload and towing charts show trucks with different GCWR/GVWR but the "Build Your Own" webpage sure doesn't show them or have an option to choose them.

I know that upgrading DRW/GVWR's/rear ends, etc. will give higher numbers. But it seems that in a basic, plain-jane version of truck - apples to apples - the 250 out performs the 350, even if it is just slightly. Is there a way to figure this out or do you need to physically see every label on every dam(n)truck on every dam(n) Ford lot in the area?
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Not Ford, but Ram.. But just for giggles, I looked at a 2500 before I bought my 3500. EXACTLY the same truck with the exception of an Auto in the 2500 and a g56 in the 3500..2500 stickered at 1970, my 3500 stckers at 4190. Both SRW Diesels. I would imagine the ford having a similar difference. Hmmmm My son has a 2017 f 350, Ill look at it when I get home for giggles.
Just curious as to why get the manual transmission and give up almost 300 pounds torque (and 1,000 pounds tow capacity) with the de-rated Cummins.
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f350 SRW is just a 250 with an extra leaf in the rear springs.

Seriously. Everything else is the same. Same axles. Same brakes. Same everything.

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