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Old 12-15-2015, 11:20 AM   #51
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That's interesting since my F350 don't come close to the over load springs till I exceed 3200 lbs in the bed. My 2800 lbs pin isn't even close to loading up/touching the overload springs.

Give it time. They will. My 350 didn't engage the overloads for the first year or so with 3k on the pin. Now with about 20k towing miles between my last hauler and my current one, anything over 2k in the bed engages the overloads at both ends.

If you need confirmation though, just look up the spring pack part numbers between the 250 w/camper package and the SRW 350. Same goods...
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Old 12-16-2015, 07:12 AM   #52
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Thank you all for your comments and recommendations. I have decided to go with the Demco 18K HiJacker, AutoSlider. This Cardinal 3250 has a dry weight 12,201lbs and Gross weight of 14,252lbs. My F250 can tow 14,000 conventional and 16,300 fifth wheel towing so I should be within the specifications. Do expect some sagging so will look into the airbags. Thanks again.
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Old 12-16-2015, 10:06 AM   #53
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Thank you all for your comments and recommendations. I have decided to go with the Demco 18K HiJacker, AutoSlider. This Cardinal 3250 has a dry weight 12,201lbs and Gross weight of 14,252lbs. My F250 can tow 14,000 conventional and 16,300 fifth wheel towing so I should be within the specifications. Do expect some sagging so will look into the airbags. Thanks again.
A year ago I would agree that my 2500HD Diesel was in spec but after my 11,380 lbs 5er was put on a Cat scales and my rear axle weight went to 5980 lbs within in 120 lbs of the max axle weight and the truck gross weight went to 10960 which was 960 lbs over my 10,000 lbs gross weight. I was within in 200 lbs of my max tire rating. My 5er went from a 19.8% pin dry weight to 24.1% pin weight in real life. Now with a F350 I'm with a 3744 CC I'm within 500 lbs of CCC left over for safety margin. You never know till you put it on the scale!!!

To get the tow rating Truck Manufactures figure a 15% pin weight which is not real world numbers for the pin weights.

My Scale Weights http://www.towingplanner.com/ActualW...&w2da=3480&a=2
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Give it time. They will. My 350 didn't engage the overloads for the first year or so with 3k on the pin. Now with about 20k towing miles between my last hauler and my current one, anything over 2k in the bed engages the overloads at both ends.

If you need confirmation though, just look up the spring pack part numbers between the 250 w/camper package and the SRW 350. Same goods...
Just made a observation since our trucks are both 2015 and I have about 3,000 miles on the clock towing and his stated his was almost on the overloads with less than 2000 lbs pin and mine with 2800 lbs was not where near on the overloads. I put chalk on my stops and they don't hit towing either.
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Old 12-16-2015, 10:53 AM   #55
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I think you need more truck before the hitch!
That trailer will definitely overload your 250 once you add a couple of bodies in the seats and fill the trailer for camping. Please remember, NO ONE ever tows a dry trailer.
The OP asked a question about a fifth wheel hitch and guess what! The weight police showed up...
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Old 12-16-2015, 01:50 PM   #56
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thanks, you just made my point. It is still labled as a 250 and has a 250s GVWR sticker on the door. Exceeding that door sticker allows several things to happen. Voiding mfg warrenty is the first. Liabability in case of accident is another. Were still a relatively free country, so the OP can do as he pleases. Just dont get in accident with me, because guaranteed I will own everything he has at the end of the day
I guaranteed you will go broke trying to prove that because I went over my GVWR is what caused the accident.
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Old 12-16-2015, 02:03 PM   #57
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Give it time. They will. My 350 didn't engage the overloads for the first year or so with 3k on the pin. Now with about 20k towing miles between my last hauler and my current one, anything over 2k in the bed engages the overloads at both ends.

If you need confirmation though, just look up the spring pack part numbers between the 250 w/camper package and the SRW 350. Same goods...
Mine also will not touch the overloads stays about 1.5 to 2 inches away from them. Same part numbers but when you order them they need your VIN number so there must be something different?
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I have short bed F350 and this what I did when I was trying to decided. I measured from the center line of the axle to the cab. Then I went to the 5er and used that measurement and placed in the center of the pin of the 5er and walk around the nose and showed I had several inches to spare. so I went with a non slider.

In real world i took to a parking lot and I can turn 90 degrees without hitting but not only by a couple of inches. That is on level ground so I still have to be careful on a slop, it could hit. I'm more worried about the 5er hitting the rail since to get close to level I had to reduce the space between the rail and the 5er to just under 6".

It really depends on the shape of the nose on your 5er.
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Old 12-16-2015, 07:02 PM   #59
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Mine also will not touch the overloads stays about 1.5 to 2 inches away from them. Same part numbers but when you order them they need your VIN number so there must be something different?
You do not need a VIN to order springs. The springs are identical. VIN's are requested on every sale to avoid selling the wrong parts when the part number can vary by VIN. They don't skip requesting it when the parts are the same. It's automatic. So, enter the VIN from any 11+ SRW 350 or any 11+ 250 with the camper package and you will get the same part number for the springs. As I said before, other than the emblems and the door jamb sticker, the two trucks are 100% physically identical. Every part.

Three disclaimers on the above.
1) In 2011 the SRW 350's got hydroboost brakes just like the DRW's and the 250's got vacuum boost. From 2012+ all the SRW's got vacuum boost and hydroboost was DRW only.
2) The XL trim on a 250 will come with lower rated 17" rims and tires. XLT and up all have the same 18" and 20" rims and tire options between the two lines, just lower recommended pressure on the 250's.
3) Up until 2015, the 250's got a 2" spacer block under the rear springs and the SRW 350's got a 4" block. The camper package got you the taller block too on th 250's so again the two were the same. From 2015+ other packages also got you the taller block. The block has nothing to do with weight carrying though and just helps the 350 not show it's sag so much under the heavier loads it's owners will likely throw at it. Start with a rake and you end up level under load. Start at level and you end up with a sagging rear under load...
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I have short bed F350 and this what I did when I was trying to decided. I measured from the center line of the axle to the cab. Then I went to the 5er and used that measurement and placed in the center of the pin of the 5er and walk around the nose and showed I had several inches to spare. so I went with a non slider.

In real world i took to a parking lot and I can turn 90 degrees without hitting but not only by a couple of inches. That is on level ground so I still have to be careful on a slop, it could hit. I'm more worried about the 5er hitting the rail since to get close to level I had to reduce the space between the rail and the 5er to just under 6".

It really depends on the shape of the nose on your 5er.
That's really cool that you can get a full 90 degrees. I could get 88 with my previous 5th but not so much on my current one.
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