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Old 01-02-2016, 05:07 PM   #81
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Our shops (we have 6 independent collision centers and are building 2 more) have our sheet metal rate between $46 -50 an hour, aluminum is almost twice that and is in th $90+ range per hour. And we only have 1 shop out of the 6 that has the many thousands of dollars of dedicated aluminum equipment and its own repair area and the certification to repair the '15s and up.
Aluminum cracks and tears where steel doesn't for alot of the same damage.
It's a nightmare for collision damaged 2015+ ford owners right now..... better make sure you have an extra vehicle or several months of rental coverage!
But that's one of the differences. You don't repair on aluminum, you replace and the prices Ford is charging on the replacement parts puts it on par with repairing steel. Personally if I were in the body shop business I'd be looking to the aircraft industry for technicians as they've been fixing aluminum bodies for years. Ford might be one of the early adopters but sooner than later all of the other manufacturers will be doing similar things to lighten their vehicles.

It's a nightmare for any new model vehicle owner trying to get collision damage repaired. I've run into it on 1st year Mazda's and GM vehicles we've owned over the years. Heck it took over three weeks to get a part for my wife's CX5 after a deer jumped into her. At the time there was no after market manufacturer and the part had to come from the factory but because they were all on the production line we had to get in line. Like most cars or trucks the only real way to know what it fact or fiction is wait the few years for the various supply chains to sync up and look at longer term results. Some folks don't like being on the bleeding edge, others like me it doesn't bother.
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And the weight save'n is tremendous......with carbon fiber.......fastest accelerating vehicles are 100% body wise.
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Old 01-02-2016, 05:16 PM   #83
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And the weight save'n is tremendous......with carbon fiber.......fastest accelerating vehicles are 100% body wise.
I wouldn't mind carbon fiber at all. Not just for the weight savings but for the lower damage rate from small things like door dings and tree bumps. The only problem at the moment is cost but if enough manufacturers made a concerted effort to switch I would expect the cost to go down.
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Thanks for illustrating my point.

That said, I dig the idea of corrosion resistance, living in the northeast (where plain old rock salt just wasn't good enough, so we started using salt brine on the roads a few years ago, and body/frame rust has accelerated ever since.) I assume Ford's frame is still made of steel, and the body is aluminum bolted on? Anyone have any insight as to what happens where steel and aluminum are bolted together?

I like the idea of carbon fiber--lighter, stronger, and rust-free. It's just that initial cost that stings...
Aluminum corrodes pretty bad too! Its just white instead of brown. I've seen alot of the Lincoln navigators with white blistering rust popping up on hatches.
And yes on the new f150 bolts are only to be used 1 time and then scrapped. There is a special coating on the bolts that is damaged apon removal.
We have had to take '15 f150 classes to try to prep for all this but its going to be a real nightmare. I think ford really screwed up doing this. You have to loosen bolts multiple times while adjusting panels. There is going to probably be more corrosion issues because of the aluminum than was had with steel panels.
We'll see, but when it happens.....i called it! Lol!!!
(And yes they still use steel frames)
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Take an alum wheel to the coast and let it sit awhile....looks like cottage cheese grow'n on it!
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But that's one of the differences. You don't repair on aluminum, you replace and the prices Ford is charging on the replacement parts puts it on par with repairing steel. Personally if I were in the body shop business I'd be looking to the aircraft industry for technicians as they've been fixing aluminum bodies for years. Ford might be one of the early adopters but sooner than later all of the other manufacturers will be doing similar things to lighten their vehicles.

It's a nightmare for any new model vehicle owner trying to get collision damage repaired. I've run into it on 1st year Mazda's and GM vehicles we've owned over the years. Heck it took over three weeks to get a part for my wife's CX5 after a deer jumped into her. At the time there was no after market manufacturer and the part had to come from the factory but because they were all on the production line we had to get in line. Like most cars or trucks the only real way to know what it fact or fiction is wait the few years for the various supply chains to sync up and look at longer term results. Some folks don't like being on the bleeding edge, others like me it doesn't bother.
Yep mazda sux to get parts for.
Air craft techs dont have a clue. You don't have wrecks in airplanes and fix them. We are close to tinker AFB and lots of friends and family work there on aircraft and other stuff. They know how to use a break and buck rivets!!!





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I wouldn't mind carbon fiber at all. Not just for the weight savings but for the lower damage rate from small things like door dings and tree bumps. The only problem at the moment is cost but if enough manufacturers made a concerted effort to switch I would expect the cost to go down.
We have had carbon fiber on z06 and zr1 vettes for years. Your kidding your self if you think it doesnt damage easy, because it does. Its just these panels are about the thickness of a penny instead of plastic panels or smc/ fiberglass on the other vettes that are about 3/16" or so thick and weigh considerably more.
We had to have Z06 training to when they came out with carbon fiber panels. Essentially they are the same as fiberglass in most ways but stronger if the same thickness....but carbon fiber panels are thinner so about the same stength.
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