Ford EcoBoost Pricing ?

[Ejs4029]

Not really knowing much about the Ford EcoBoost I was curious on how much a fairly well equipped 3.5 with the Max Tow and Max Payload goes for MSRP ?

Are they more $$$ then a 1500 Ram or 1500 Silverado because it seems they are more 1/2 ton capable does the price reflect that ? Can you really even compare them when they have the Max Tow and Max Payload ?

The way Ford is going with the F150 and making it more capable it could cut into the F250 sales for some people.

[bikendan]

Are you asking about used or new?
And it's the HD Payload Package, not Max Payload.

During my recent search for a used Ecoboost, I found that I got more for the money, than the other brands.
Especially in payload capacity.

[Ejs4029]

Originally Posted by bikendan

Are you asking about used or new?
And it's the HD Payload Package, not Max Payload.

During my recent search for a used Ecoboost, I found that I got more for the money, than the other brands.
Especially in payload capacity.

My question would be more directed to new but since you bought a used one in your search did you think the used EcoBoost's were competitively priced with the other brands used 1/2 ton's or are they more of a premium ?

Also in your opinion to you think they hold their value better ?

[LynnGlaze13]

When we were looking at one we saw several 2014's (3 almost 4 years old) that were Lariat and King Ranch editions.
They were in the 34-36K range and KBB says they were good prices.
We bought ours for just over 40K with a Ford Ext Warranty.

The Sticker Price was 51K after the Chrome Pkg and Navi discounts.

They hold their value very well.

[KRSmitty]

Originally Posted by Ejs4029

Not really knowing much about the Ford EcoBoost I was curious on how much a fairly well equipped 3.5 with the Max Tow and Max Payload goes for MSRP ?

Are they more $$$ then a 1500 Ram or 1500 Silverado because it seems they are more 1/2 ton capable does the price reflect that ? Can you really even compare them when they have the Max Tow and Max Payload ?

The way Ford is going with the F150 and making it more capable it could cut into the F250 sales for some people.

You should be able to go to the Ford, NADA, KBB, Edmunds web sites and price one out.

[bikendan]

Originally Posted by Ejs4029

My question would be more directed to new but since you bought a used one in your search did you think the used EcoBoost's were competitively priced with the other brands used 1/2 ton's or are they more of a premium ?

Also in your opinion to you think they hold their value better ?

First, I found that no other brand had the payload capacities nor towing capacities available with the Ecoboost. So that adds value.
Second, I found that other brands were around the same price but failed to come close to the Ecoboost payload/towing numbers.
Third, they hold their value because of these factors.

I still have my 2007 Avalanche. I looked at 2013-2014 Silverados that had the same dash/interior as my much older Avalanche.
Ford is constantly updating/innovating the F150, while other brands take years to make changes.

IMHO, Ford gives you more for the money, than the other brands, when it comes to 1/2 trucks.
I not brand loyal. I've owned different brands of trucks.
For me, it comes down to value as all the brands make good trucks.

Since my Avalanche struggled with our new TT, I wanted a truck that would easily tow it and still the capacity for a larger TT.
With my Ecoboost, I have over 1800lbs payload and over 11000lbs towing capacity.
As we live on a hillside, I don't have turning room for a truck longer than the 145" wheelbase.

[OLDNAVY]

Originally Posted by Ejs4029

Not really knowing much about the Ford EcoBoost I was curious on how much a fairly well equipped 3.5 with the Max Tow and Max Payload goes for MSRP ?

Are they more $$$ then a 1500 Ram or 1500 Silverado because it seems they are more 1/2 ton capable does the price reflect that ? Can you really even compare them when they have the Max Tow and Max Payload ?

The way Ford is going with the F150 and making it more capable it could cut into the F250 sales for some people.

I bought a 2017 F 150 XLT with FX4 package and EB 3.5 w 10 speed tranny.and all bells and whistles, including the ones you cited. I got a demonstrator (7,500 miles) for $39,000. MSRP was $51,000
Hope that helps

[acadianbob]

I think your price will be driven more by which model level you choose; eg XL, XLT, Lariat, etc.

[dustman_stx]

I just bought a 2018 F150 SCrew 4x4 157" XLT 302A 3.5EB with MaxTow, 20" wheels, nav, tow mirrors and a few other add-ons that aren't coming to mind right now. MSRP after package discounts- the ones you'll see on the window sticker- was $53 and some change. I paid $43 and some change. My truck was special ordered. Incentives are good for 2017s right now but not the 2018s. I really got a smoking deal on mine. I've done a lot of business with this dealership the past few years and they sold me the new special order 2018 for the same price as the 2017 less the incentive diffs. IOW, they made the same amount off of my 2018 as they are making off of 2017s they need to move. I've gone with a Ford my past few trucks because I like the Ecoboost engine. The only other 1/2 ton engine out there I think I'd probably be satisifed with is the GM 6.2 and it's only available in packages that are way too expensive for me. The 5.7 Hemi I think is a good engine as well, but I just don't like the Ram interior AT ALL on the trim levels I can afford. The wife HATES the looks of the Ram, but I think they look OK personally. Payload is another major issue with the Ram. Back to the original topic- If you are OK with not having some very specific options, you should be able to buy a 17 F150 for around 12-13K off right now. An XLT 301A 4x4 SCrew with 3.5L EB can probably be had for $37-$38K as long as it isn't heavily optioned.

[dustman_stx]

Here is my window sticker.

[robsshots]

yes, I can attest to the towing power and reliability of the ecoboost on the F150. I've towed over 18,000 miles in the last 3 years, full timing it.

The truck is awesome. And quiet.

But keep in mind, if you want the powerful towing capacity, you MUST get the 3.73 differential. Without it, your tow capacity drops considerably. This is a big deal. So yes, you need the HD tow package, AND the 3.73 rear end.

Also suggest you add the Timbren support for your rear suspension. We got one on Amazon and had half of it installed (did not want the bumpy ride with the full install when not towing) and it has worked out amazingly well. Our truck does not dip in the back when towing (rides level) and rides pretty darn smoothly when not towing. Love the truck. Paid $33,000 brand new in 2014. We also have a longer bed with a super crew and the longer bed means we got a longer wheelbase which helps a lot with smooth riding/towing.

I've priced the new ones outfitted similarly and they run in the $50K range before all the discounts. We did not get power mirror extensions, nor any other do-dads that would boost the price with only cosmetic impact. Unfortunately, the dealer had tricked it out a bit with chrome running boards and bug deflector and fancy pin striping. But I have zero complaints on the truck, and we love to drive it. A bit challenging to park with that long wheelbase which cuts down a lot on the turning radius, but a minor inconvenience.

[CaptnJohn]

If you are a disabled vet use the DAV program. Even with all published rebates ask what the vet rebate is. Most often it will be $250 - $1000. With the DAV program, vet rebate, and published rebates I received nearly 14,700 off sticker on my F350.
Many do not know about the vet program through Ford. Any one that qualifies can get it for you if in your household.
The "document fee' is reduced as well.

[MilCop4523]

on our 3rd Ecoboost 2011, 2013 and now the 2016 3.5 with the max tow package. the new Ford F150 Diesel is said to have tow capacity of 13,7000 with max tow installed.

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by robsshots

yes, I can attest to the towing power and reliability of the ecoboost on the F150. I've towed over 18,000 miles in the last 3 years, full timing it.

The truck is awesome. And quiet.

But keep in mind, if you want the powerful towing capacity, you MUST get the 3.73 differential. Without it, your tow capacity drops considerably. This is a big deal. So yes, you need the HD tow package, AND the 3.73 rear end.

Also suggest you add the Timbren support for your rear suspension. We got one on Amazon and had half of it installed (did not want the bumpy ride with the full install when not towing) and it has worked out amazingly well. Our truck does not dip in the back when towing (rides level) and rides pretty darn smoothly when not towing. Love the truck. Paid $33,000 brand new in 2014. We also have a longer bed with a super crew and the longer bed means we got a longer wheelbase which helps a lot with smooth riding/towing.

I've priced the new ones outfitted similarly and they run in the $50K range before all the discounts. We did not get power mirror extensions, nor any other do-dads that would boost the price with only cosmetic impact. Unfortunately, the dealer had tricked it out a bit with chrome running boards and bug deflector and fancy pin striping. But I have zero complaints on the truck, and we love to drive it. A bit challenging to park with that long wheelbase which cuts down a lot on the turning radius, but a minor inconvenience.

Your info about gear ratio is no longer accurate for the newer trucks- I think 2015+. The MaxTow version has the highest towing capacity- as high as 13,200 on the 2018- and that is with the 3.55 gear ratio. The only way you get a 3.73 any more is with the Heavy Duty Payload Package and you actually lose towing capacity- down to 11,500 ish. I had a 2013 F150 EB and at that time the MaxTow came with the 3.73 gear ratio. I always contended that the torque curve of the EB did not need low gears since it produced torque at such low RPM and the 3.55 should have just as high a tow rating as a 3.73. I guess Ford listened. If you look at the 2018 Towing Guide you'll actually see that the 3.5EB SCrew trucks all have a 10,700 tow capacity whether they've got 3.15, 3.31 or 3.55 gears unless you get MaxTow. You have to be careful when applying old school assumptions to the new generation of engines. In the days before turbos and variable timing, gear ratio was VERY important because a NA engine needed to be in a high RPM range to produce peak power. Variable timing has allowed NA engines to produce the vast majority of their power at a much lower RPM, somewhat dwindling the benefits of a lower gear ratio, though not as much so as turbo charging has. And the use of Variable Vane Technology on turbocharged vehicles has had an affect on what gear ratios is necessary as well. 25 years ago, a 7.3L PSD with 3.55 gears had "highway gears" and the 4.10 gears were for towing. Today's Ford diesel trucks(F250 and F350) have 3.55 or 3.31 gears. You have to go into F450 territory to go lower, I believe. You also have to understand final drive ratio. Many people aren't aware that transmission gear ratios affect the final drive ratio just like the rear gears do. Many a Tundra owner thinks they've really got a beast made for towing because they've got 4.30 gears. They fail to realize that the Ford with 3.73's have almost the exact same final drive ratio gear to gear because the Tundra transmission is geared higher.

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by MilCop4523

on our 3rd Ecoboost 2011, 2013 and now the 2016 3.5 with the max tow package. the new Ford F150 Diesel is said to have tow capacity of 13,7000 with max tow installed.

I wonder what payload will be.... Will have to have a pretty high GVWR to get enough payload to make that feasible with the heavier diesel engine.

[LynnGlaze13]

Originally Posted by robsshots

yes, I can attest to the towing power and reliability of the ecoboost on the F150. I've towed over 18,000 miles in the last 3 years, full timing it.

The truck is awesome. And quiet.

But keep in mind, if you want the powerful towing capacity, you MUST get the 3.73 differential. Without it, your tow capacity drops considerably. This is a big deal. So yes, you need the HD tow package, AND the 3.73 rear end.

Well that is not what the Ford Towing guides say.

The 3.55 157" 4x2 = 13,200 and the 4x4 157" = 13,000
The 3.73 157" 4x2 = 11,800 and the 4x4 157" = 11,500

To get the most you must get the 20" tires and wheels on it.

[LynnGlaze13]

Originally Posted by dustman_stx

I wonder what payload will be.... Will have to have a pretty high GVWR to get enough payload to make that feasible with the heavier diesel engine.

Does your owners manual on your '18 have the diesel listed in it with GVWR's and towing capacities?

Someone showed the pages out of theirs and it listed the Lion engine but they were not showing the rest of the info.

I looked online and the online guide/owners manual doesn't show it.

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by LynnGlaze13

Well that is not what the Ford Towing guides say.

The 3.55 157" 4x2 = 13,200 and the 4x4 157" = 13,000
The 3.73 157" 4x2 = 11,800 and the 4x4 157" = 11,500

To get the most you must get the 20" tires and wheels on it.

This is true, but I don't understand it one bit. The 18" wheel trucks have the same GVWR. And I don't see how a 20" wheel increases towing capability. I guess Ford just wanted you to look good while towing heavy!!! I guess it's possible they are using a higher load range and stiffer tire on the 20" wheel, but I'll just stick to the looking good reason until I research it a little.

[Bobf074]

Originally Posted by dustman_stx

Your info about gear ratio is no longer accurate for the newer trucks- I think 2015+. The MaxTow version has the highest towing capacity- as high as 13,200 on the 2018- and that is with the 3.55 gear ratio. The only way you get a 3.73 any more is with the Heavy Duty Payload Package and you actually lose towing capacity- down to 11,500 ish. I had a 2013 F150 EB and at that time the MaxTow came with the 3.73 gear ratio. I always contended that the torque curve of the EB did not need low gears since it produced torque at such low RPM and the 3.55 should have just as high a tow rating as a 3.73. I guess Ford listened. If you look at the 2018 Towing Guide you'll actually see that the 3.5EB SCrew trucks all have a 10,700 tow capacity whether they've got 3.15, 3.31 or 3.55 gears unless you get MaxTow. You have to be careful when applying old school assumptions to the new generation of engines. In the days before turbos and variable timing, gear ratio was VERY important because a NA engine needed to be in a high RPM range to produce peak power. Variable timing has allowed NA engines to produce the vast majority of their power at a much lower RPM, somewhat dwindling the benefits of a lower gear ratio, though not as much so as turbo charging has. And the use of Variable Vane Technology on turbocharged vehicles has had an affect on what gear ratios is necessary as well. 25 years ago, a 7.3L PSD with 3.55 gears had "highway gears" and the 4.10 gears were for towing. Today's Ford diesel trucks(F250 and F350) have 3.55 or 3.31 gears. You have to go into F450 territory to go lower, I believe. You also have to understand final drive ratio. Many people aren't aware that transmission gear ratios affect the final drive ratio just like the rear gears do. Many a Tundra owner thinks they've really got a beast made for towing because they've got 4.30 gears. They fail to realize that the Ford with 3.73's have almost the exact same final drive ratio gear to gear because the Tundra transmission is geared higher.

He's my 2 cents.....
2017 f150 with the 2nd gen ecoboost is the way to go, and the 10 speed transmission. Pulls like a champ.
I have a 17 with the 3.55 rear. Tows much better then my Silverado ever did.

My finding on the "Max Tow Pack" is upgraded rear bumper, Ford brake controller, 36 gallon fuel tank.

I didn't go with it the rear bumper is not a big deal, being I don't "bumper tow", fuel tank size isnt an issue cuz I don't go on long trips where there isn't any stations. Ford break control, you can add later for a few bucks. But read the issues with the controller. I'd rather have my brake controller I know and trust.

[Hersbird]

I don't think anyone answered the OP's actual question, and I'm not talking the title of the thread. I think he was looking at compare the out the door price of the different brands. I would say just look at a normal package most people will take, 4 door, standard bed, 4x4, with the common middle of the road SLT, XLT, whatever. Are they all about the same price wise? I would bet MSRPs are close so it's which ones have the biggest markdowns. Normally that will be the oldest truck which would be a Ram. I bet you could find a $28,000 example, the Chevy' s I see Inn the ads are $30,000, and a Ford probably the same.