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Old 10-12-2016, 10:28 PM   #21
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The 2017 F150 Ecoboost and Raptor will get a 10 speed trans featuring 3 0/drives with low gear very closely the same as reverse. It should be one sweet trans for pulling, it will have the capabilities of downshifting 6 gears if needed. Will have tow/haul, select shift and manual shift.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:28 PM   #22
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Look around the lot and check the yellow payload sticker on similar vehicles. I think you will find that most are nowhere near 2,000 lbs. More likely 1,500 to 1,600.
X2 I had similar experince with F 150
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It was said "You will rarely run over 2,000 even going up hills" There is no doubt it can pull a hill with a trailer. Regarding tow a package. Why would you order one if you are not going to tow "something'? Hence the mirrors. Not trying to strike a nerve just don't understand some comments.
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Regarding tow a package. Why would you order one if you are not going to tow "something'? Hence the mirrors. Not trying to strike a nerve just don't understand some comments.
I agree! I voiced that to my sales lady. When I went looking, Ford had stopped taking new orders, so I was stuck with what was on lots or previously ordered. MOST of the trucks in the area had everything I wanted EXCEPT the mirrors!!! Only one dealer that traded with my dealer had trucks with the mirrors.
With that said, I did look up the legal requirements. The standard mirror IS large enough to be legal for most trailers. It just doesn't extend. So if you just want to pull a bunch of lawn service stuff, you are probably OK.
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The 2017 F150 Ecoboost and Raptor will get a 10 speed trans featuring 3 0/drives with low gear very closely the same as reverse. It should be one sweet trans for pulling, it will have the capabilities of downshifting 6 gears if needed. Will have tow/haul, select shift and manual shift.
That and I understand there is a mod to the engine to handle the carbon buildup issue that has plagued direct injection engines from many manufacturers.

If you haven't heard of this, exhaust gasses can backup into the intake when the intake valve first opens. This slowly results in a carbon buildup on the back side of the intake valve. If the injector is in the intake manifold, the entering fuel can clean the back of the valve. My understanding is that the carbon buildup can result in knock, though what I have read seems to indicate that it doesn't happen until over 100K miles. I haven't checked lately to see if Ford has approved a cleaning procedure. I know there are ways to clean the intake valve that have been used successfully on other makes, but the last time I checked Ford hadn't approved any of them.

Upside to DI - better mileage, emissions, performance, etc.... YMMV
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Sailor. Old timer here. One of the best ways to clean valves/pistons ect back in the day was steam(water)(look how clean a cylinder is that had a blown head gasket) figure out way to get a very and i say very small amount of moisture into each cylinder at different intervals during driving towing mileage whatever it may work.
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Sailor. Old timer here. One of the best ways to clean valves/pistons ect back in the day was steam(water)(look how clean a cylinder is that had a blown head gasket) figure out way to get a very and i say very small amount of moisture into each cylinder at different intervals during driving towing mileage whatever it may work.
I had noticed that as well. Back in the carburetor days I used to just pour water down carb throats with engine held at high rpms. It did the same. I often wondered if you couldn't make a windshield washer jet to spray water into the opening while driving but one would not need to do it that much... never hurt an engine.
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That and I understand there is a mod to the engine to handle the carbon buildup issue that has plagued direct injection engines from many manufacturers.

If you haven't heard of this, exhaust gasses can backup into the intake when the intake valve first opens. This slowly results in a carbon buildup on the back side of the intake valve. If the injector is in the intake manifold, the entering fuel can clean the back of the valve. My understanding is that the carbon buildup can result in knock, though what I have read seems to indicate that it doesn't happen until over 100K miles. I haven't checked lately to see if Ford has approved a cleaning procedure. I know there are ways to clean the intake valve that have been used successfully on other makes, but the last time I checked Ford hadn't approved any of them.

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Sailor, I will check on this tomorrow and see what I can find
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Good point, I have the truck the OP is inquiring about. They sell a clip on that covers the entire mirror assembly, they are fitted exclusively for this truck and it hard to tell the difference between stock. Bought mine off Amazon for around 45.00.
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

About 10 sec on/off each.

Work great for me.
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OP here. I appreciate the helpful comments. Those with experience with a similar combination are particularly helpful.

My plan is to get the heaviest payload package. I am aware of the payload being the limiting factor. Reference here to a "7000# GVWR Package" helped clarify that line seen on a window sticker (online). I gathered that it was a heavier payload but didn't know if it was the heaviest payload. Comments here suggest that it is.

With respect to tow mirrors, I'm aware they're a separate option. Baffling, but apparently true. That's my sticking point on finding a used vehicle, or even a new 2016 on a lot. I definitely want the power telescoping and folding mirrors because it will enable me to park the car in the garage. I really don't want to hop out of the truck every time I park it.

Being at the end of the model year results in more incentives from Ford but fewer options as to trucks with power mirrors. I hope I don't have to order a new 2017 vehicle to get what I looking for. I far prefer for someone else to pay for that first mile off the lot. But, if I do order new I'll get what I want, and nothing more, and the 10-speed transmission seems like an improvement.

Again, thanks. I'll report back to this thread with the results of my search. I'm not in a hurry so it might not be soon.
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