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Old 10-13-2016, 10:59 AM   #41
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Unfortunately, Ford offers power telescoping mirrors only on Lariat or higher trim package. From other comments here, they apparently can't be retro-fitted.

What's in an XL that increases the payload, that a Lariat doesn't have?
It's what is not in the XL that increases payload. Bells and whistles add up.
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Old 10-13-2016, 12:06 PM   #42
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It's what is not in the XL that increases payload. Bells and whistles add up.
Exactly. My previous truck was a 2011 F150 XLT CCSB with the EB and Max Tow package. My payload was 1,876 lbs. Most folks with Lariats or Platinums wouldn't believe me unless I showed them the payload sticker. All those bells and whistles, skid plates, etc add up in a hurry and subtract from the payload. FWIW, I towed the TT in my sig for a few thousand miles with the F150 and power wise it was great, but comfort wise not so much on long hauls. Thus the F250 I now have. I will gladly give up a little get up and go over comfort any day.

I had the F250 ordered with just want I wanted and my payload is now 3,295 lbs, or several hundred more than an F250 Lariat.
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Old 10-13-2016, 12:21 PM   #43
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It's what is not in the XL that increases payload. Bells and whistles add up.
So, basically, same GVWR but the options consume some of it, leaving less for payload?
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Old 10-13-2016, 12:24 PM   #44
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So, basically, same GVWR but the options consume some of it, leaving less for payload?
Correct. You also have to mindful that as you add accessories such as a bedliner or bed cover, it will continue to diminish your payload.
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The F150 offers an HD payload option in addition to max tow. The HD payload pkg adds about 500 pounds more payload capacity over the max tow, and 1,000 pounds over the stock truck with neither max tow nor HD payload. HD is a special option and I don't see it often and it isn't specifically related to towing - just extra payload. I think the HD is only available on the 3.5 Eco or 5L and the long bed. It limits some other options I believe. I think it can only be ordered on a trim line up to a Lariat. I read somewhere you can tell if the rear wheel has an extra lug nut (7). The 7-lug wheels have a 2,400 lbs capacity to support the 4,800 lbs rear axle rating, I guess, compared to the 6-lug wheels at 2,025 lbs each.


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If referring to the Max Payload package, I intend to buy a truck with the maximum payload possible, given other constraints:
Must have power folding/telescoping mirrors (available only on Lariat or higher)
Short wheelbase (can't park the 250+" in my garage)
If you're referring to a 250 HD, I'm sticking with the 150 class.

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Old 10-13-2016, 12:44 PM   #46
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The F150 offers an HD payload option in addition to max tow. The HD payload pkg adds about 500 pounds more payload capacity over the max tow, and 1,000 pounds over the stock truck with neither max tow nor HD payload. HD is a special option and I don't see it often and it isn't specifically related to towing - just extra payload. I think the HD is only available on the 3.5 Eco or 5L and the long bed. It limits some other options I believe. I think it can only be ordered on a trim line up to a Lariat.
The HD payload package is great in theory for somebody with a setup like the OP. Problem is these trucks are nearly non-existent. Its built on a heavier frame with heavier duty components, but they did not produce any in 2015 due to a shortage of frames (apparently). Also when you get the HD payload, it drastically limits the other options you can get - which may or may not be an issue for people. The build and price page at Ford.com lets you see what you can and can't get.

If buying new, you can always order one, as I think from reading on the Ford forums, these are becoming available. But buying used these are tough to find.
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HD is a special option and I don't see it often and it isn't specifically related to towing - just extra payload. I think the HD is only available on the 3.5 Eco or 5L and the long bed.
I've seen the option and think I came to the conclusion that you can't get it on a short bed. The car builder tools I found on the Ford web site aren't explicit on that point, at least not in a way that's clear to me.

The long bed is a deal killer for me. I really don't care which trim line I get as long as it has basic power interior accessories and the Sync3, maybe added as individual option. Other requirements (power mirror, integrated controller, 4-door) are firm.

I might have to build it myself and buy it new. I really don't like buying cars new. It aggravates the miser in me.
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Yes - When I bought I was told don't even try back then but I thought for new it was now available. Not sure. It is the long bed which I can squeeze in a 24' long garage.
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It is the long bed which I can squeeze in a 24' long garage.
Allowing for reinforcements on the inside of the garage door my usable space is 20' (240") with a few inches to spare. Ford's online specs list the overall length of a 145" WB SuperCrew as 231.9". I obviously won't be leaving the hitch on it when I park it.

In reality it seems it may be inconvenient to park the truck in the garage every day. Perhaps a long bed isn't out of the question? I'll just have to accept getting out of the car in the rain, and getting into a hot car.

A neighbor has a short bed 4 door. I'll enlist him to park it in my garage when I clean the junk out, as a test.

I just had a chat with a rep on the Ford.com site. A national search for 2016 SuperCrew 3.5L EB short bed with power mirrors and integrated brakes came up dry. And that's the entire country, with no limits other than those listed.
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Yep on the search. I think the mirrors are the only problem. I have the regular Lariat Power Heated Chrome Signal mirrors and they work fine for a 37' trailer and are definitely better for parking in the garage (I would forget one time if I had to close them electronically and rip one off).

Our truck has the towing camera/sensor package and I have a portable camera for the TT if I back up alone. The extended mirrors do look cool but I think are unnecessary. The included mirrors meet the towing requirement I was told.

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