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Old 10-14-2016, 12:28 AM   #71
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I don't use tow mirrors and find the standard mirrors to be just fine with my trailer which is 7 ft wide.
Being 7' wide may make that difference.
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Whoa!!! So I slipped with terminology but still provided more pertinent information about the HD Payload than anyone else. By the way I am not infallible, the max payloads allowable on the base model HD Payload is 2710# with 18" wheels and 2420 # with 17" wheels on the SCREW as per the Ford Advisory.
To the OP, I hope that this information is of some help in determining your course of action. I too have never ordered a vehicle but search the dealers till I find something compatible to my needs. the HD Payload is probably only feasible if you are decide to order as you will be hard pressed to find one sitting on a dealer lot as it is a configuration with a limited appeal as most will just purchase a 250 gasser. Whatever direction you take good luck again.

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Old 10-14-2016, 01:06 AM   #73
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Reading comments about the improved view provided by the trailer mirrors I conclude that I would prefer having them. Because I plan to park the car in the garage daily and I don't want to hear complaints from my wife, I'm back to the power mirrors. That requires a Lariat package or higher, in the 150.

Being limited in floor space I can't get the 6.5' box. Without the 6.5' box I can't get the HD payload package. So, I'm back to my original search, i.e., Lariat with power telescoping/folding mirrors and as much available payload as I can get with a 5.5' box. Unfortunately that means ordering from a dealer.

Although I've done it before when economic conditions favored the consumer, the miser in me really doesn't like buying a vehicle new. The beginning of a new model year is not such a time, and $50K is a lot of money.
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To the OP, I hope that this information is of some help in determining your course of action.
It is. I appreciate your input.
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If you have decided on how you want your truck configured best thing you can do is go to a large volume dealer and look at used trucks and get an idea of price then look at new 16 leftovers and hammer them in negotiation. When I bought mine as a leftover between incentives and negotiating I purchased a truck with a 50K sticker for 37K and got a spray in bedliner along with 36 month maintenance because I started to walk out and the sales manager was walking by and got involved. You never know unless you try. For some reason used trucks are commanding silly prices.

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If you have decided on how you want your truck configured best thing you can do is go to a large volume dealer and look at used trucks and get an idea of price then look at new 16 leftovers and hammer them in negotiation. When I bought mine as a leftover between incentives and negotiating I purchased a truck with a 50K sticker for 37K and got a spray in bedliner along with 36 month maintenance because I started to walk out and the sales manager was walking by and got involved. You never know unless you try. For some reason used trucks are commanding silly prices.

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Good luck with that but this is a new year. Last year all the '15's were picked over so I had to buy a '16 to get what I needed. Still speaking with all your analysis the 7000 lb. GVWR 145" trucks without the HDP are still higher than the competitors. With a properly adjusted WDH he should have no problem.
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My brother just bought the F150 you are looking at, I bought the same with a 6.5 bed. He is still on his first trip out west with 6000 lb trailer. I just got back with my 5000 lb trailer. Both trucks are around 7050 gross wt limit with around 1800 payload. He took his wife and 100lb dog. I went solo and had no problem. He was overloaded and had to drop stuff off at a cousin on the way. With a 500-600 hitch wt these trucks do not hold much cargo with people onboard. Clothes, generator, food, water, etc add up fast. You want to take bikes, they had better go on the trailer. Also, highly recommend the 36 gal tank. After online research it was requirement on selecting my truck. Drive 65 mph heading west in Neb/Kan with the long uphill and wind and mileage was around 8 mpg. Hills were never an issue, although often above 2000 or even 3000 rpm on mt roads. Plenty of power with ecoboost. But if you don't want to get gas every 150 miles the big tank is a must. Got maybe 12 mpg at 55 mph typically.

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My brother just bought the F150 you are looking at, I bought the same with a 6.5 bed. He is still on his first trip out west with 6000 lb trailer. I just got back with my 5000 lb trailer. Both trucks are around 7050 gross wt limit with around 1800 payload. He took his wife and 100lb dog. I went solo and had no problem. He was overloaded and had to drop stuff off at a cousin on the way. With a 500-600 hitch wt these trucks do not hold much cargo with people onboard. Clothes, generator, food, water, etc add up fast. You want to take bikes, they had better go on the trailer. Also, highly recommend the 36 gal tank. After online research it was requirement on selecting my truck. Drive 65 mph heading west in Neb/Kan with the long uphill and wind and mileage was around 8 mpg. Hills were never an issue, although often above 2000 or even 3000 rpm on mt roads. Plenty of power with ecoboost. But if you don't want to get gas every 150 miles the big tank is a must. Got maybe 12 mpg at 55 mph typically.

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So, the truck payloads being the same, the difference between you is 275# in passengers, 150# (@~15%) tongue weight, and differences in personal gear?
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I have a 2013 F150 4x4 EB I pull a 2016 34.5 ft Forest River Vibe just about 6800 lbs I have not had a problem with the tow. I have come to a hill or two that I put the transmission into M so I could manually shift mostly in 3rd and 4th gear. That keeps my RPM at 2000 to 2300 and have not had a problem. And when I ordered the truck I had to order the tow mirrors separately but that is only on the F150. So far I am a happy camper with the performance of the F150.
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So, the truck payloads being the same, the difference between you is 275# in passengers, 150# (@~15%) tongue weight, and differences in personal gear?
That's correct. Also, both trucks have a Leer truck cap at ~200 lb. It's easy to fill a F-150. I have 1830 total cargo wt on the door sticker.

200 cap
450 trailer hitch(incl wt dist hitch impact)
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125 two champion 2000 generators for dry camping AC, 1 gal gas
90 guess- clothes, shoes, boots 90 F when I left, 20F in Colorado mtns
36 carton of water bottles
25 tools
30 food/drinks/cooler
100 misc bins of supplies, emergency wool blankets, 4 lb propane tank, mr heater, chair, etc, didn't weigh it

This is around 1400 or so for just me traveling alone. Could probably move 100-200 to the trailer. It can carry lots of weight, already has some stuff, but there isn't a lot of room as it is a 7.5 ft wide low profile APEX.
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