Forest River Shamrock 21ss and a V6

[tanddc]

I can't speak to the specific situation but I have no problem pulling a 25ft 5k TT with my V6 explorer. I get good gas mileage and it does fine on the highway.

[thestrangebrew]

Originally Posted by thebrakeman

No, it's not. The issue here is that I can't think of any other V6 vehicles that have greater than 6000 lbs max tow rating:
-Current gen Explorer (crossover) = 5000 max
-Previous gen V6 Explorer (truck-frame) = 5500 max
-GM Lambda platform (Traverse, Acadia, etc) = 5200 max
-F-150 Ecoboost= zillion lbs lol (j/k)

My F150 Ecoboost pulled my 233s like a champ going up some good sized hills last weekend. Of course, it was my first time pulling, but I thought it did awesome!

[thebrakeman]

Originally Posted by f1100turbo

Quick edit:
Looks to me like the v6 durango 2wd ccc is about 1300 lbs
Subtract this from that number.
All passengers excluding driver.
All gear and accessories hualed in durango.
Pets.
Wdh hitch and sway control.
Fully loaded camper hitch weight.

Example.
Adult 160
2 children 100
Gear / whatever 100
Dog 40
Wdh 100
Tt tongue weight 850 "seen 650 lbs mentioned earlier in the thread"
Added 200 lbs for loaded weight.

If my math is up to par......
1350lbs

So what you're saying, is that if you put all the camping gear in the trailer like most people do, he'll be fine. We put people in the tow vehicle, and all the gear in the trailer.
What's the "added 200 lbs" for? Loaded camper won't be more than 5000 lbs. Times 13% = 650lbs TW....loaded TW.

[thebrakeman]

Originally Posted by thestrangebrew

My F150 Ecoboost pulled my 233s like a champ going up some good sized hills last weekend. Of course, it was my first time pulling, but I thought it did awesome!

I think it's pretty clear that we are talking about naturally aspirated V6 engines. Ecoboost motors are designed to have same/better performance as a NA engine with 2 more cylinders. In the case of the F150, that includes towing performance. Your truck gets compared to V8's, not V6's.
Thank you for playing!

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by thebrakeman

So what you're saying, is that if you put all the camping gear in the trailer like most people do, he'll be fine. We put people in the tow vehicle, and all the gear in the trailer.
What's the "added 200 lbs" for? Loaded camper won't be more than 5000 lbs. Times 13% = 650lbs TW....loaded TW.

The added 200 lbs is hitch weight over and above the "fictional dry hitch weight" once camper is loaded.

Not to mention....
Full propane tanks that was added after the "dry hitch weight" as well as the battery.

Im not saying he's "good or not good"
Tow setup needs to be scaled.

I think they'd be way over ccc jmo

[thebrakeman]

This camper won't be more than 5000 lbs loaded. They guy with the 23SS said he was just a tad over 5000, so I think 5000 is a good estimate. If you think they need another 200, that should be trailer weight, not pure TW.

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by thebrakeman

This camper won't be more than 5000 lbs loaded. They guy with the 23SS said he was just a tad over 5000, so I think 5000 is a good estimate. If you think they need another 200, that should be trailer weight, not pure TW.

Not getting my point friend.

A dry hitch weight is as the camper comes from the factory.
Once you add all the user items plus any dealer add on items the hitch weight will go up.

My tt hitch weight went up by 180 lbs from the advertised "dry" weight.

He has 1300 lbs of ccc I believe hes going to be way over that.
When I say ccc I mean the tow vehicle not the camper.

[libslowmo1]

I tow an FS185RB that when loaded weighs in 3800-3900lbs with a 2014 V6 Dodge Durango. In addition to DW and myself the Durango carries 2 bikes, a mounted spare tire, small cooler with pop/water/sobee, 2ton floor jack, all the junk we might want to munch on, DW's nook, and anything else she may deem necessary. We use an E2 WDH and as of this writing have not seen any real issues in towing. Our most recent pull was 21 days out from Liberty, MO to Hungry Horse MT and back. Route was mostly interstates from Liberty to Missoula, MT. Then from Missoula US93 North to US2 East. On occassion the trans would drop down to 3rd on some of the longer taller grades and run about 45mph. Normal trans temp is 192-195. During the longer/taller grades temp would briefly go to 201 but then drop back to 195. Best gas mileage was 14, worst was 10.

[thebrakeman]

Originally Posted by f1100turbo

Not getting my point friend.

A dry hitch weight is as the camper comes from the factory.
Once you add all the user items plus any dealer add on items the hitch weight will go up.

My tt hitch weight went up by 180 lbs from the advertised "dry" weight.

He has 1300 lbs of ccc I believe hes going to be way over that.
When I say ccc I mean the tow vehicle not the camper.

I completely understand your point. I simply disagree with it.

Campers are designed with a dry hitch weight based on where the multiple storage areas are. A camper with a high dry TW% will often be found to have a decent size storage area, fridge, wardrobe, etc in the rear, which will offset the added battery, propane, etc.
Conversely, campers that are designed with a low dry TW% (less than 10%) will have the expectation of the battery and propane and front storage to bring the loaded TW up to the typical 12-13% expected.

By your logic, you expect this camper to have 20% loaded TW or more. I do not believe that's true. it depends on other factors, particularly storage location, water tank location, water heater location, etc, etc, etc.

[TURBS]

Another frf member has a dry pin weight of 1825 and a loaded pin weight of 2300 to 2540
500 - 700 lb difference.
So how does that translate?

[TURBS]

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[thebrakeman]

Originally Posted by f1100turbo

Another frf member has a dry pin weight of 1825 and a loaded pin weight of 2300 to 2540
500 - 700 lb difference.
So how does that translate?

"Pin weight"??? Sounds like a 5er.
I thought we were talking about 21SS and other pull-behinds.

I don't even know what the pin-weight % target is for a 5er (25%?, I have no idea). But whatever it is, I'm sure the manuf. also design them so that once loaded, you'll be in the ballpark of that target. If much of the storage is in the front, then they will be designed "pin-light". If much of the storage is in the rear, designed "pin-heavy". If a toy-hauler, probably designed very pin-heavy.

[GalsofEscape]

Is there a reason you are not looking at the V8 hemi? I have the 2011 durango with the hemi, tows really nice and everyone is comfortable. After towing three years, I am very happy with it. Now, I am not towing your weight or height (I have a GVWR 3800 lb highwall popup) so not sure how the v6 will work for you. If you have the option for the v8, I would seriously consider it.

I find it interesting that the v6 you are looking at has the factory tow package as when I was looking to buy mine, as soon as you requested the tow package, they said you had to have the v8 engine.

[rockfordroo]

On the radio this morning, I heard an ad for an RV place in Huntley, IL. They were talking about all the 5ers, TTs, toy haulers, etc that they had, and they ended it with, "Can be pulled by most vehicles."

Really? A 5er can be pulled by most vehicles?

What a load of crap.