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Old 09-15-2014, 07:02 PM   #151
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I use my CTD as a DD. Same mpg empty as my 2010 F150 5.4. But better mpg towing. We travel 4-5000 miles a year towing. The rest (7000) is empty around town DD or wherever else we go. I paid $36,000 after a $10,000 discount for my CTD. Hard to be that for a diesel tow machine and DD as well.
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Old 09-15-2014, 07:11 PM   #152
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100% agree. If you haven't owned both then you cannot add anything beneficial for the OP to this thread as you only have one sided info.
You don't have to have owned either to do a comparison of the cost/mileage and determine extra cost of diesels vs gas.
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Old 09-15-2014, 07:21 PM   #153
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I have owned both. I had a Ram 1500 with the 5.7 and it did fine on flat ground with no wind or a tailwind (I generally don't get tailwinds). A good crosswind really showed that the truck was underpowered for towing the 5th wheel we have. I used this setup once on a 1200 mile run and it wasn't bad but there was no wind. The best I ever saw was 11.5 mpg with that setup. I now have a Ram 2500 CTD and the worst towing mileage I've seen is 11.5mpg. I'm generally a little north of 13mpg. This is with the same 5th wheel with a BBQ pit behind it. The gasser was fun to drive but I think the diesel would stomp it it tne quarter. I will say that I bought the diesel with deletes done and a tuner. I'll buy another gasser only after I don't tow anymore. The diesel rig is an animal! All this and I was onw of the guys that wanted nothing to do with a diesel engine. BTW, #2 diesel and regular unleaded are both $3.65 where I live.
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Old 09-15-2014, 07:26 PM   #154
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value of 2 equal trucks, one gas, one diesel, after 250,000 miles, the diesel is worth over $5000 more. You've retained most all of the $7000 extra it cost to buy it. Add in the 50% better fuel economy, big savings. You don't have to own one OldCoot, but some of us love them.
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Old 09-15-2014, 07:34 PM   #155
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Coot, you really do. You can give all the feedback you want on the gassers but you haven't owned, towed, maintained, ect a diesel. You can speculate on a diesel but that's about the best you can do.

I've owned, towed, maintained both so I can. I can tell you this, in the ling run, the diesel is superior. You do pay more for oil changes but you almost get double the miles on the diesel so it's basically a wash there. The motors can handle the physical stresses Better in the long run and last 2-3 times longer then a gas motor as well.

You usually get a better/stronger transmissions with a diesel as well so another bonus.

Let's not forget the much less stress of towing and not having the tranny shift 5 million times up and down and able to go the speed limit and not get blown off the road by semi trucks. Lol.
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mine has an exhaust brake. You can ride several miles of a downgrade and never once touch the brake pedal. RPMs stay low, speed stays dead on. Can't have that on a gas.
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Old 09-15-2014, 07:43 PM   #157
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value of 2 equal trucks, one gas, one diesel, after 250,000 miles, the diesel is worth over $5000 more. You've retained most all of the $7000 extra it cost to buy it. Add in the 50% better fuel economy, big savings. You don't have to own one OldCoot, but some of us love them.
Might be true, but your mileage is not 50% better than mine and with only $101 difference in 35,000 miles, I would still have to drive 19 x 35,000 = 665,000 miles to get the $2000 back. Glad you like your diesel. I like my gasser and until someone shows me what the diesel will do that my gasser isn't other than 2-3 mpg difference, I'll just keep it.
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I didn't say it was 50% better than yours, I said it was 50% better than what I used to tow with. I also said before its not for everyone, but it works for me. Never said you needed to own one. Like DocGTO said, until you have actually owned one, you can't compute the difference. You have nothing to base it on other than what you think the differences are.
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I didn't say it was 50% better than yours, I said it was 50% better than what I used to tow with. I also said before its not for everyone, but it works for me. Never said you needed to own one. Like DocGTO said, until you have actually owned one, you can't compute the difference. You have nothing to base it on other than what you think the differences are.
In your situation, you can justify the cost. I was comparing my mileage with your improved mileage and the numbers just don't compute to justify buying a new or different truck gas or diesel.
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In your situation, you can justify the cost. I was comparing my mileage with your improved mileage and the numbers just don't compute to justify buying a new or different truck gas or diesel.
Next trip I'll tow at the same speed as you so I can get real world milage with mine. I usually tow 70-72 so I'm about 10mph higher then you and that does make a difference. I can get 11-12 at 70-72 towing my goose racing trailer which is about 10k. It may be better or it may not. I'm not quite sure. I know unloaded, I can get 2-3mpg better for sure. My new fiver is a v-nose which is more aerodynamic then the goose but 2k heavier.

I will tow it about 80 miles this weekend so I will get some numbers with it at 60-62 so it will be as similar to coot as possible to be as fair as possible.

I can tell you that my wife's diesel bmw X5 towing the horse trailer at about 6k would get 14mpg at 65. 3 liter twin turbo making 300 horse and 430 torque. I would also get up to 25 unloaded on the hwy at 74. Her diesel Jetta, shoot, 44-46mpg was not unusual.
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