Gas or diesel

[OldCoot]

Originally Posted by f1100turbo

I'm not trying to change his mind.
I could care less. Point is the op wanted to know if "he" should buy a a gas or a diesel. And the differences. If you've never owned a diesel you cannot trully help the op out. You can However state a case for a gasser but cannot mud sling at a diesel. TURBS

Have Ms. Amy read you my original post to the OP, all I said was

Originally Posted by OldCoot

@ 4 mpg increase and $0.50-$0.60 per gal more cost for diesel, it will take many, many years, if ever to justify the cost while towing only.

Nowhere did I recommend not buying a diesel or sling mud at the diesels.

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by OldCoot

Have Ms. Amy read you my original post to the OP, all I said was

Nowhere did I recommend not buying a diesel or sling mud at the diesels.

I talking about comments made after that.

TURBS

How can i annoy OC today?

[grhodes50]

Originally Posted by Carrier

I have decided that the F150 I have is just not going to cut it with the trailer I have. Have an opportunity to get a pretty good deal on some 2015 350 Super Duty trucks coming available in a couple of weeks with very low mileage on them. Some are 6.7 diesel and some are 6.2 gas. Are there any here who have the 6.2 gas in a 350 Super Duty and how are the real numbers for mileage and power. I realize the diesel is going to have a lot more power however the price different is about $10,000 and the cost to service, repair will be less as well.

Maybe my experience can help you.
I started with an F-150, 5.4 V8. My tt loaded weighs approx 8,600 lbs, but it has a heavy tongue weight of 938 lbs dry. The 5.4 V8 handled the weight of tt okay, but it didn't handle the tongue weight very well.
So I bought a F-250 with a 5.4 V8. Bad decision. While the F-250's suspension and long wheel base handled the tt very well, the truck being much heavier than the F-150 took a toll on the 5.4 V8.
The F-150 was a single cab short bed (4 doors with the extra storage room behind the seat) and the F-250 was a long bed crew cab. So it was a much larger truck.
So a few years later I found a good deal on a F-250 with a V10. This truck worked very well with my tt, but man that V10 was really thirsty loaded and unloaded. Being a gasser, it still screamed going up these hills in eastern Oklahoma.
This past July I purchased a used 2012 F-250 with the 6.7L diesel. I have made one trip towing the tt. 90% of the trip was on a winding, hilly 2 lane road. All I can say is I love this truck! The truck took the hills easily, some fairly steep and a few long climbs. MPG are much better than the V10, loaded and unloaded.
I also had read the comments of others about the difference in towing with a diesel vs a gasser. I believed everyone, but I never realized just how much a difference that would be until I towed my own trailer and experienced it myself.
Now whether a diesel is worth the cost difference......you'll have to make that decision yourself. We all tow different campers in different terrains so we all have different towing experiences.
Hopefully this has helped you somewhat. Good luck and keep us posted on what you decide.

[Iwannacamp]

Originally Posted by grhodes50

Maybe my experience can help you.
I started with an F-150, 5.4 V8. My tt loaded weighs approx 8,600 lbs, but it has a heavy tongue weight of 938 lbs dry. The 5.4 V8 handled the weight of tt okay, but it didn't handle the tongue weight very well.
So I bought a F-250 with a 5.4 V8. Bad decision. While the F-250's suspension and long wheel base handled the tt very well, the truck being much heavier than the F-150 took a toll on the 5.4 V8.
The F-150 was a single cab short bed (4 doors with the extra storage room behind the seat) and the F-250 was a long bed crew cab. So it was a much larger truck.
So a few years later I found a good deal on a F-250 with a V10. This truck worked very well with my tt, but man that V10 was really thirsty loaded and unloaded. Being a gasser, it still screamed going up these hills in eastern Oklahoma.
This past July I purchased a used 2012 F-250 with the 6.7L diesel. I have made one trip towing the tt. 90% of the trip was on a winding, hilly 2 lane road. All I can say is I love this truck! The truck took the hills easily, some fairly steep and a few long climbs. MPG are much better than the V10, loaded and unloaded.
I also had read the comments of others about the difference in towing with a diesel vs a gasser. I believed everyone, but I never realized just how much a difference that would be until I towed my own trailer and experienced it myself.
Now whether a diesel is worth the cost difference......you'll have to make that decision yourself. We all tow different campers in different terrains so we all have different towing experiences.
Hopefully this has helped you somewhat. Good luck and keep us posted on what you decide.

Good examples.... well put

[RhoZeta]

As has been stated well, they both have pros and cons, my deciding factor was a friend who rides & trains cutting horses and puts around 35K ~ 45K a year on his trucks.
He likes the gasser for the weekend warrior types, pulling a heavy load a few times a month and the rest of the time it is a daily driver to work and back but if pulling a load more than a 1/3 of the time you are behind the wheel then an oil burner is the way to go. A diesel would be great but I put 1500 miles a month on my truck just commuting, no load other than myself and a cup of coffee in the morning, would seem like such a waste with a diesel, to me.

[Cajun Po-Boy]

Originally Posted by RhoZeta

As has been stated well, they both have pros and cons, my deciding factor was a friend who rides & trains cutting horses and puts around 35K ~ 45K a year on his trucks.
He likes the gasser for the weekend warrior types, pulling a heavy load a few times a month and the rest of the time it is a daily driver to work and back but if pulling a load more than a 1/3 of the time you are behind the wheel then an oil burner is the way to go. A diesel would be great but I put 1500 miles a month on my truck just commuting, no load other than myself and a cup of coffee in the morning, would seem like such a waste with a diesel, to me.

Most of us on here use our camper 3-6 trips per year with our rigs costing us on avg between $20K-$40K...and what does it do most of the year...sits idle in a storage lot or in your yard...you could say that's a waste, but we don't! Same thinking goes behind having a diesel for DD and towing a few times per year...it's what you feel you want to spend for your enjoyment

[Weeg]

Ah, the "I'm right, you're wrong thread". Sounds just like politic to me

[Cajun Po-Boy]

Originally Posted by Weeg

Ah, the "I'm right, you're wrong thread". Sounds just like politic to me

Nope, not this type of thread but if you use the search feature, one will probably pop up ,)...LOL

[ependydad]

Originally Posted by Weeg

Ah, the "I'm right, you're wrong thread". Sounds just like politic to me

I got this. This is how most of these conversations go:

Originally Posted by Diesel Boys

Everyone wants diesel; gas boys wish they had diesel, they're just too po'.

Originally Posted by Gas boys

Diesel boys have small willies.

[Carrier]

Here is a picture I got sitting at a light awhile ago. The girl driving has a sense of humour.

[jevanb]

lol

[RhoZeta]

Originally Posted by Cajun Po-Boy

Most of us on here use our camper 3-6 trips per year with our rigs costing us on avg between $20K-$40K...and what does it do most of the year...sits idle in a storage lot or in your yard...you could say that's a waste, but we don't! Same thinking goes behind having a diesel for DD and towing a few times per year...it's what you feel you want to spend for your enjoyment

Will a diesel bring me more enjoyment in my daily commute?

[SaskCampers]

Well I have a 2011 F250 6.2 with 3.73's and have been from Sask all the way down through Tennessee and the smokey mountians etc. We generally have 4 adults and run the trailer around 8400 lbs. We typically drive 95 to 100 kph and I shift manually. I now run an 87 octane 5 Star tow tune as well. Before the tune we generally averaged 8 - 9 mpg and now it is between 10 - 12 most times unless we are fighting a big head wind. The truck pulls like a freight train now and I can hold 6th on slight hills which it would not do prior to the tune (if I had 4:30 gears it would hold 6th a lot more) With no trailer just putting around it gets up to abt 18mpg which I think is fine for a truck that weighs 7368 lbs with a full tank and no one in it.

[grhodes50]

Originally Posted by RhoZeta

Will a diesel bring me more enjoyment in my daily commute?

Yes, but my situation isn't as common as most. I had a V10 gasser, not a V8. I was getting around 12 mpg's city unloaded....13.7 hwy unloaded. Towing was between 8.5 & 9 mpg's. That was resetting the truck's calculator while up to speed on I-40 in eastern OK.
With the diesel I'm getting a 14.8 mpg in the city and 18.2 mpg on the hwy. The one time I towed the tt was on winding, hilly 2 lane roads. Resetting the truck's calculator from a dead stop in my driveway I got 9.6 mpg going to the campground, 11.6 mpg overall on the trip.
Ride and comfort is much better than my last truck.

[jevanb]

semt from my s4 mini

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by RhoZeta

Will a diesel bring me more enjoyment in my daily commute?

Darn tooting!

TURBS

How can i annoy OC today?

[rockfordroo]

Since when does a diesel have to pay for it's self? Do leather seats have to pay for them selves? How about a moon roof or running boards? It's just another option IMO. Like the TBC or 4.10 gears. Do they pay for themselves? The tow package? I've never seen anyone break down the cost of a tow package and see how long it takes to get your money back.

The reason you don't see anyone look at the other items is that they don't give you a different return that can be calculated. Different engine = different fuel costs (and maybe different maintenance costs). Different seats = ??? - what's the difference in return? There is none (unless you can somehow equate cloth vs leather to a difference in your chiropractor costs ).

[dcarver1987]

I'm trying to decide between doing some improvements to my 5.3 or upgrade to a diesel. The 5.3 is super cheap to fix if anything goes wrong. How about a diesel? Only thing I really know about is injectors are expensive. Anything else?

[Carrier]

Well dealer is letting me take a new 350 home tomorrow for the weekend and take my trailer out for a couple days. So I guess I will make up my mind then.
One thing that I will never be without is heated/cooled seats like I have in the Lariat I have now. That is about the best thing that I have ever had.

[rockfordroo]

Since when does a diesel have to pay for it's self? Do leather seats have to pay for them selves? How about a moon roof or running boards? It's just another option IMO. Like the TBC or 4.10 gears. Do they pay for themselves? The tow package? I've never seen anyone break down the cost of a tow package and see how long it takes to get your money back.

The reason you don't see anyone look at the other items is that they don't give you a different return that can be calculated. Different engine = different fuel costs (and maybe different maintenance costs). Different seats = ??? - what's the difference in return? There is none (unless you can somehow equate cloth vs leather to a difference in your chiropractor costs ).