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Old 05-29-2016, 05:42 PM   #11
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Keep an eye on the prices.. I got my duramax for $3K over the cost of the same 2500 6.0 (or whatever their gas motor is). I was getting a 2500 anyways. the 4K off the usual 7k option sealed my fate.
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Old 05-30-2016, 10:29 AM   #12
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Fuel economy should be better but the improvement will never offset the cost of a diesel. Saving fuel is not a reason why one buys a diesel. One buys it for the torque and impressive towing performance. I've yet to find a hill here in Colorado where my F350 struggles.


There was an article I read not terribly long ago about the threshold of cost of ownership for gas vs. diesel. I want to say is was roughly around 20 thousand miles driven a year where the cost of ownership becomes cheaper for a diesel truck versus a gas truck.


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Old 05-30-2016, 10:42 AM   #13
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There was an article I read not terribly long ago about the threshold of cost of ownership for gas vs. diesel. I want to say is was roughly around 20 thousand miles driven a year where the cost of ownership becomes cheaper for a diesel truck versus a gas truck.


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Works for me ~~ my 2016 F250 6.7 was purchased in December 2016 ~~ 7 months ago ~ and just about 17,000 now. I expect to see 30,000 to 35,000 by the 1 year mark and 80,000+ at the 2 year trade in mark.
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Old 05-30-2016, 11:21 AM   #14
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Old 05-30-2016, 11:37 AM   #15
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Waiting for my 2017 Super Duty which is the exact copy of my 2000 F350 with all the added new electronics and cameras. Going from the 7.3 to the 6.7. I will greatly miss the old truck..it has been the best truck I have ever had. After 16 years the old F350 will have cost me $800 per year just considering the cost of the truck. I used to be a Chevy guy but the SD has been very good to me. I hope the new truck is going to do as well as the old one. The price is really getting high on the new ones. I could probably live with the gas engine but would not after having diesel trucks since 1995.
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Old 05-30-2016, 12:02 PM   #16
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Those that constantly crow about the cost of a diesel are missing an important issue... safety. I was exactly the same position you are in a couple of years ago. My 5.0 F-150 was nearing the end of it's warranty, and was having the beginnings of transmission trouble. I was getting 8 mpg towing and around 21 on the hiway, unloaded. I was pushed around on the hiway by winds and semis, and always felt like I was going to blow the engine on hills. I always felt unsafe being so much slower than surrounding traffic on hills. I could have bought a gas-powered Ram 2500 for less money, but would have been in the same boat all around except for the improved handling of the 3/4 ton truck. I bit the bullet and bought the Ram/Cummins and now get about 21 mpg hiway, unloaded, and 13 - 14 mpg towing my trailer. I change my own oil/filter and fuel filters every 10,000 miles for a bit more than any of the oil-change franchises charged to change the oil/filter in my F-150 every 5,000 miles. The maintenance is really about a wash. I will get more for my truck in resale because of the Cummins engine, but I don't believe those that say I'll recoup all of the cost of going diesel. All that being said... I don't believe I've ever felt better about a decision I've made even 2 years past, than buying a diesel truck. The difference in pulling a trailer is so significant that I'll say I'll never go back to a gas engine for pulling anything more than a bass boat... and some of them are big and heavy enough these days that I'd probably rather have a diesel. I can't say you'll never be sorry you own a diesel, because you may hate it as you drive it off the lot... I can say I'll probably never be sorry... and I really DO wish I'd done it sooner.
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Old 05-30-2016, 01:23 PM   #17
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If what you have tows fine and is safe I can't see a payment 100 percent of the time if you only tow 5 percent of the time. I tow near 25 percent of my miles and do so with a 1 ton Cummins. The beefier truck handles the load better than any half or three quarters I ever towed with and the additional torque maintains highway speeds when climbing grades that the gas jobs can't. Which diesel is a loaded question. I have had them all but will stay with Cummins as long as the run a big in line. The stock torque is crazy. The other brands do have better front suspension systems though.
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Old 05-30-2016, 03:11 PM   #18
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neighbor has same truck, pulls 6200 TT, he says he get 17mpg. not sure???
would not give up my diesel. thought I saw a post, anything over 10,000 would work better with diesel
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Old 05-30-2016, 03:26 PM   #19
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Gas verse Diesel

Diesel, GMC I have a 7400lb TT and a 12,500 5er used my 1/2 ton to pull TT it struggled in the mountains but with the Diesel 2500 HD Denali I barely new the TT was there
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Old 05-30-2016, 04:28 PM   #20
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gas vs diesel

There is no doubt that diesel gets better mileage than gas and the bigger the load, the bigger the benefit. But let's do an ROI (Return On Investment)

I am driving from San Diego to Alaska in 5 days and will be on the road for 7 weeks logging more than 10,000 miles. Pulling my 27' Stealth toy hauler with fully loaded at about 7000 lbs I will get 8 MPG from my 2008 Toyota Sequoia 5.7L V8 that is rated to tow 9600lbs.

Engine Miles GPM Gallons Cost/gal Total cost
Gas 10000 8 1250 $2.30 $2,875.00
Diesel 10000 14 714 $2.35 $1,678.57

Diesel fuel saving = $1,196.43

So for this very long trip I would save $1200 in fuel costs if I sold my Sequoia for $20,000 and bought a 2 to 4 year old Ford F250 diesel for about $35,000.
So my ROI would be that I would break even after 125,000 towing miles.
(12.5 Alaska trips)
And I would have to live with the noise and smell of diesel and the very different power curves between gas and diesel.

But if I was starting from scratch and planned to tow a real lot, I would by diesel.

Please forgive me and don't jump down my throat if you don't agree with this next part... It is just my opinion as a reliability engineer...

I wouldn't buy Dodge even though the Cummings diesel is the best diesel engine you can buy except for the Mercedes truck diesel which costs a fortune.
I would buy a Ford F250 because they are much more reliable overall than Dodge.

My 2 cents...
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