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Old 05-31-2016, 03:14 PM   #41
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Can't beat the Cummins diesel but just trying to keep the rest of the truck together is the problem with the Ram. Had enough of them to know. Rust buckets on top of trans problems you name it. They all have decent trucks and they all have problems. Some just don't want to admit it.
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Old 05-31-2016, 03:42 PM   #42
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I've owned both Ford and Chevy trucks. I read a test on the 5.0 vs the 3.5 Ecoboost recently in a popular auto magazine. The 3.5 pulled somewhat better but the 5.0 got 1 mpg better gas mileage. Personally I don't see the advantage of turbos as the "Eco" part doesn't seem to pan out. Turbos rarely get better gas mileage because they run rich under boost. Also, if you ever have to replace a turbo or two the repair bill would be huge. I bought a 2015 Chevy 1500 V6 LT (285 hp) to pull my Rockwood 2702 SS (32' overall, 5700lbs dry weight) and it does just fine. I get 10 mpg towing and average 20 to 21 mpg (1/3 city, 2/3 hiway) driving to work. I paid $34,000 for it and when looking at Fords in the same price range there was no comparison.
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Old 06-02-2016, 06:44 AM   #43
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The benefit of "Ecoboost" is not mileage. The turbos provide 90% of available torque at almost any rpm. The 5.0 can't do that. It makes a difference in noise and perceived effort towing. It also makes a significant different when at elevation.

Do you recommend everyone to stay clear of diesel engines? They all use turbos too.

I purchased the truck in my sig for less than $32k out the door.
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Old 06-03-2016, 09:31 AM   #44
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Can't beat the Cummins diesel but just trying to keep the rest of the truck together is the problem with the Ram. Had enough of them to know. Rust buckets on top of trans problems you name it. They all have decent trucks and they all have problems. Some just don't want to admit it.
How current are your experiences Stove? Ram has been making some damn nice trucks... Granted they had a bad rep for trans in the 90's, but alot of that was the fault of incorrect fluid being used.

I have owned a 96 half ton, 05 2500 diesel, and now the '14 3500 diesel.

The 96 half ton had over 150k miles on it (in northern IL mind you)... stock trans, no rust on the truck at all when I totaled it when another driver pulled out in front of me. That one had the gas 360 and towed a 16' stock trailer regularly.

The '05 2500 diesel was also an auto trans.. Over 120k miles on the stock trans when I traded it off. 0 problems. That truck did have a small rust spot on the bottom of the tail gate from where a PO filled the drains in the bottom of the tailgate with bed liner. I will admit the 4 speed trans was not ideal in this situation... more gears would be better, but it was reliable. The 48RE's in stock form are pretty stout trans until you start putting chips and tuners on the motor...

The '14 3500 diesel, with the 68RFE trans, has been fantastic although I admit I have only driven it a total of 6k miles thus far. The 2 extra gears and the exhaust brake on these trucks are fantastic.

Sorry.. OP... I realize not Ecoboost related... my appologies.

PS... I am leary of turbo charged gas motors.. keep in mind a turbo gas motor is not the same as a turbo diesel. Compare the rods and blocks for example of any diesel to any gas motor... Far cry different.. I admit though I do not know how the Ecoboost is built.. my hope is that Ford built it more like a diesel with a much stouter lower end, but I've never been inside one.
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Old 06-03-2016, 09:53 AM   #45
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PS... I am leary of turbo charged gas motors.. keep in mind a turbo gas motor is not the same as a turbo diesel. Compare the rods and blocks for example of any diesel to any gas motor... Far cry different.. I admit though I do not know how the Ecoboost is built.. my hope is that Ford built it more like a diesel with a much stouter lower end, but I've never been inside one.
For the 2.7L they are using a compacted graphite iron block just as they use for their 6.7L diesel. My understanding is the 6.7L also had a lot of influence on the connecting rod and piston design. So I expect it to hold up well. I have read some articles that say this is Ford's direction for all of their motors going forward so would expect to see it show up in others as time goes by. The articles could be wrong but it does make good business sense on the part of Ford to do it.
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Ford did a good job of building the eco engine from scratch. You have to remember they took this motor and went BAHA racing then did all kinds of tests putting over 150,000 miles under the most extreme conditions on one engine and then took the engine apart and found nearly no wear at all. That says a lot for the engineering. Now with the aluminum bodies you won't have to worry about the rust belt trucks rusting out.

Ram/Dodge makes a damn good truck in my opinion. They have had their rust issues and trans problems ,overheating problems. I know many fleet truck buyers who know which trucks give them the best bang for the buck. Another problem with the ram is keeping chrome on things that are chrome plated, plastic parts in place inside and outside the truck. This is not my opinion but those of many people who have experience with them. That includes up to the 2016 models. I believe the 2017 rams will be redone, we will see how the fare. My best ram was one with the old 360 engine it towed a fifth wheel I had at the time like a dream.

I don't think the ram would be as popular as it is if it wasn't for the cummins diesel which I think is the best diesel on the market. Again just my opinion.


The trucks I have had the worst luck with have been GM.

I have stuck with fords as of late because I like what they have to offer. Even the old man step to get into the bed is a very big plus for me, I'm getting old.
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My gm has built in bed step.

Non gearhead question...
If DI and Turbo cause such problems in gassers, why do both work so well in diesels?
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My gm has built in bed step.

Non gearhead question...
If DI and Turbo cause such problems in gassers, why do both work so well in diesels?
Great question.. I don't claim to be an expert, but in my research it appears it is mostly fuel related.... Gasoline motors are supposed to be spark ignited, gassers at increasing cylinder pressures (turbo charged / high compression) tend to pre-detonate which causes at best case just a spark knock, and at worst case picture windows in the block. On the DI side, the chief issue I have found is carbon buildup on the valves this buildup can also lead to pre-detonation.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong..
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