In reference to dealer, I referred to the off road package being the same as tow package suspension.
I have the GMC specs (build out) that the dealer printed for my VIN.
Thank you, I am aware of yellow door jam sticker.
I was just using a comparison of the Max Tow Package verses independent options or add ons. Price difference????
Ken
You didn't get the point, I was not trying to argue with you. I wanted to get the real numbers from the yellow sticker and then go myself and compare to the advertised max towing config to verify what you say. Why? I am about 6 months from turning in my Ram Rebel (3 year lease) and I want to know the real deal. I am not a brand specific loyalist, and I will look at Ram, Ford and GM as options for my next truck. So being able to know that your less costly off road got you to the max tow rating and to the max payload rating would be very interesting.
Then I would wonder if also got the lower axle gears, the oil cooler, the larger radiator and larger trans cooler as well? How about the larger alternator output?
Sorry, but I should correct my previous post, instead of 3:41 rear end it should be a 4:10 rear end. Previous truck had a 3:23 rear end and towed 7000 lbs with no problems and got 10 mpg.
We made the mistake of buying a truck that was capable of towing "what we needed" at the time. Actually, more than. Come to find out we wanted a bugger trailer.... and needed a bigger truck. The towing capacity listed on light duty trucks and SUV's is comical IMO. My friends 150 is "rated" to tow 12,500 but the engine screams and the thing struggles with 10k up a 5% grade.
Anyway... I said enough of this and went out and got a 1 ton diesel. The tow rig we have now will tow more than what we wanted. Which is good because we ended up buying a bigger TT but still have room to spare.
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Originally Posted by Larry0071
Sink your mind into this joke..... 2017 Ram Hemi 5.7L 8-speed with 3.92 gears and the Max Tow 10,160 lb tow rated. Sounds decent right? Here is where the funny part comes in! No max payload package, so you get 1,050 lb payload. Your supposed to have 10% to 15% tongue weight right? And your supposed to get inside and drive the truck.... heck... maybe bring a wife and some kids and dogs. So assuming the 10% min tongue weight at the max rated 10K LB tow rating... your at 1000 lbs. Now you have to toss a brick inside on the gas pedal and run beside the truck steering through the open window! Your legally not allowed to sit inside that build with it's max trailer that is set up at the 10% min tongue weight.
It would be fine if you tow a boat though . Stern drives and outboards are usually 7-9% wet on tandem+ axles.
I have a 2015 Silverado 2500HD with tow package, 3:14 rear end. Don't get anything taller. Your MPG will be way down, I presently tow 10,000+.
I run a 2015 GMC 2500HD 6l gasser with 4.10 rear end,tows like a tractor .Unloaded mileage runs around 17 mpg not bad for a big truck to wining mileage sucks but hey that's life!
I have a 2018 Silverado Double Cab 4wd with "trailering package". 3.42 gears. 5.3L v8. 6 speed trans, not 8 speed. I pull a Rockwood Mini-Lite 2109s which is about 4300lb dry. 2 adults + dog, ice chest, misc cargo, towing with 1/2 tank water let's bump it up to about 6,000 lbs including what's in the truck. I figured I should be well within my max tow rating, but here are a few things I learned.
Consider not only the tow and cargo weight but wind drag. With the high profile of a hard sided trailer we're pulling a parachute through the air. Prior to the current trailer, some years ago I had a Coleman tent trailer pulled with a 4.7L Jeep Grand Cherokee. Hardly knew the trailer was behind us (no noticeable wind drag), and the rear visibility was great as well. So I would expect you will have the same experience with your PUP.
Now with my hard-side, I feel the trailer "tug back" sometimes even on flat roads. (I do have a Blue Ox WDH but sway isn't an issue). I think if I had a bigger truck budget, more torque would have helped this issue by either going 6.2, a diesel, or motor with turbo. But budget was an issue and even though diesel gets better mileage under tow, prices per gallon can vary widely and often cost as much as premium gas. All considerations if you plan to "go big" after the popup trailer.
I think if the 3.92 taller gear set was available on-the-lot in the truck I purchased (got a deep end-of-year discount), it might have been a fair trade off for mileage loss. By the way I got an honest 10mpg on my last trip of about 350 miles. The problem with my setup and the 3.42 gearset and 6 spd is that it is optimized for non-towing mileage. Somewhere between the 3.08 and the 3.92. Honestly, I am pleasantly surprised to get as much as 20-23 mpg on the highway because the engine drops into V4 mode and just purrs (on the flats). More like 16mpg in the city
When towing, I don't feel like the truck is really getting into the optimum torque range at a safe 55-65 speed range. So what I have learned to do is two things that give me a better feel at the wheel.
-On the open road, drop the transmission lever into "L", which gives you manual shift mode, and use the +/- paddles on the lever to get into 4th gear. That keeps the engine revs and torque in a more comfortable setting for the highway.
-On dry pavement I have the trans set to 2WD, for gas economy and to supposedly save wear on the transfer case. But to me it feels like the truck has more grab and less give if I tow in 4WD Auto. I'd like others' opinion on this.
-Finally, and it goes without saying, I tow with Tow/Haul mode on. Honestly, except for maybe a little more off-the-line oomph, not sure how much else it really does, but it's supposed to move the shift points down. Still, by itself, doesn't prevent the trans from going up into 5th and even 6th gears, which are both overdrive. Actually I think even 4th gear is barely overdrive.
I wonder what the cost premium is for the new GM straight six diesel. Looks like it could be a nice option, but again back to diesel fuel.
Looking forward to reading more comments on this subject!
You didn't get the point, I was not trying to argue with you. I wanted to get the real numbers from the yellow sticker and then go myself and compare to the advertised max towing config to verify what you say. Why? I am about 6 months from turning in my Ram Rebel (3 year lease) and I want to know the real deal. I am not a brand specific loyalist, and I will look at Ram, Ford and GM as options for my next truck. So being able to know that your less costly off road got you to the max tow rating and to the max payload rating would be very interesting.
Then I would wonder if also got the lower axle gears, the oil cooler, the larger radiator and larger trans cooler as well? How about the larger alternator output?
Larry,
Whoops! I am bad. My apologies ...
Payload of my truck 1726. See attached yellow door jam sticker.
As a bonus, I have attached the actual truck build out.
See if you can find the hidden gems that I mentioned.
Payload of my truck 1726. See attached yellow door jam sticker.
As a bonus, I have attached the actual truck build out.
See if you can find the hidden gems that I mentioned.
Ken
That 1726 payload would be a fantastic buffer over mine that is 1,050. Essentially it would allow me to have my trailer in the 800 LB tongue area and still have a massive 900+ lbs for 400-500 lbs of people and any coolers/food/stuff that I might want in the bed. 400 lbs of food and drink would be one heck of a party load.
Your 3.42 gears would scare me, I have the 3.92 RAM rear axle and drove a RAM similar to mine with the standard RAM 3.21 and the difference is shocking. Mine feels like a nitro burning hot rod compared to my cousins Ram.
I like that you get the G80 auto locker rear differential. Mine is a weak limited slip, and is a component that wear over time and gets weaker until it flat out stops working.
Your build, like mine does not have the extendable tow mirrors. That never bothered me pulling my equipment trailer or my utility trailer, but suddenly I have an 8' wide camper and I flat out can not see the road behind me at all. Now I need to order strap on add-on tow mirrors. Yuck. I'll not make that mistake again.
Your build out looks very similar to my RAM Rebel off-road package, but you do have almost doubled the payload. you have the bigger 150 amp alternator and the 110V 100W power outlet that I also have. I actually have used that to run battery charger on my dump trailer between loads to keep pushing the deep cycle battery up. It is a nice option, I wish you could run bigger loads like recip saws and circular saws with it...LOL... but it still is a nice thing to have.
I thought it was odd that your truck build has the trailer tow package, increased alternator, trans cooler.... but not the integrated brake control.
That 1726 payload would be a fantastic buffer over mine that is 1,050. Essentially it would allow me to have my trailer in the 800 LB tongue area and still have a massive 900+ lbs for 400-500 lbs of people and any coolers/food/stuff that I might want in the bed. 400 lbs of food and drink would be one heck of a party load.
Your 3.42 gears would scare me, I have the 3.92 RAM rear axle and drove a RAM similar to mine with the standard RAM 3.21 and the difference is shocking. Mine feels like a nitro burning hot rod compared to my cousins Ram.
I like that you get the G80 auto locker rear differential. Mine is a weak limited slip, and is a component that wear over time and gets weaker until it flat out stops working.
Your build, like mine does not have the extendable tow mirrors. That never bothered me pulling my equipment trailer or my utility trailer, but suddenly I have an 8' wide camper and I flat out can not see the road behind me at all. Now I need to order strap on add-on tow mirrors. Yuck. I'll not make that mistake again.
Your build out looks very similar to my RAM Rebel off-road package, but you do have almost doubled the payload. you have the bigger 150 amp alternator and the 110V 100W power outlet that I also have. I actually have used that to run battery charger on my dump trailer between loads to keep pushing the deep cycle battery up. It is a nice option, I wish you could run bigger loads like recip saws and circular saws with it...LOL... but it still is a nice thing to have.
I thought it was odd that your truck build has the trailer tow package, increased alternator, trans cooler.... but not the integrated brake control.
I attached my window sticker....
My trailer tongue weight is 845 lbs, plus 2 big male dogs, wife, self and cargo
all weigh in under 1500 lbs and that is figuring high.
I added as an extra option through dealership the GM trailer brake controller. Dealer part and installation was just over $100 (attachment - 2).
As for exterior mirror, no mine do not extend either. I bought the extender mirrors that slide on and lock by thread nut. Did not care for strap ons. They jump and bounce too easy. (attachments -3)
See attachments (brake controller and extension mirrors)
Nice truck.
You will love the CIPA mirrors. I've had 2 sets (one for each truck I've needed them) and I like that my mirrors look normal 95% of the time, and like a trucks mirrors the other 5% of the time (when I'm using the tow mirrors).
The old set of CIPA's I had, was actually the thing that pushed my pontoon sale over the edge, and got the buyers to agree to the price. I gave them my old set (which I couldn't even use anymore) to go with the guy's truck that bought my pontoon.
Definitely. I have them for my F-150. They are easy to put on and take off. They are solid when driving -- don't move, don't rattle, don't cause any issues. They give great vision ... better than the towing mirrors on my F-350.
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Nice truck.
You will love the CIPA mirrors. I've had 2 sets (one for each truck I've needed them) and I like that my mirrors look normal 95% of the time, and like a trucks mirrors the other 5% of the time (when I'm using the tow mirrors).
The old set of CIPA's I had, was actually the thing that pushed my pontoon sale over the edge, and got the buyers to agree to the price. I gave them my old set (which I couldn't even use anymore) to go with the guy's truck that bought my pontoon.
Yup they are great. Had them on my 2009 Silverado. Wish they offered them for a 2019.
I got the 2019 Sierra 2500HD Denali Duramax with basically all options including 5th wheel prep. I'm towing a 14k pound tow behind toy hauler. I traded up from a 2016 2500HD Silverado LTZ Duramax because it didn't have some options I wanted. I would go for everything you think you might want/afford the first time so you don't have to do it again. I have plenty power for any hill and 14-15 mpg and increasing as I get miles on the truck. I've added the Echomaster camera system from GM so I have a camera on the trailer to see behind while I'm driving. I have the 3.73 gearing, I'm getting 20mpg without the trailer but a shell topper. I got my best deal at Gilroy GMC, good luck on your new purchase.
That wouldn't work for me. I have a published payload capacity of 2976 with my 2015 2500HD 6.0 gasser. That is general on paper payload available. In reality, with two people on board, full of fuel, a few hundred pounds of gear in the back, it actually has a a hair over 2300 lb of payload still available according to the grain elevator scale in town. That is one of the reasons I have a 3/4 ton. I need a larger payload capacity. None of the 1/2 tons come close under the same scenario and cost more. The value just isn't there with the 1/2 tons.
That wouldn't work for me. I have a published payload capacity of 2976 with my 2015 2500HD 6.0 gasser. That is general on paper payload available. In reality, with two people on board, full of fuel, a few hundred pounds of gear in the back, it actually has a a hair over 2300 lb of payload still available according to the grain elevator scale in town. That is one of the reasons I have a 3/4 ton. I need a larger payload capacity. None of the 1/2 tons come close under the same scenario and cost more. The value just isn't there with the 1/2 tons.
Is there an emoji for "hindsight is 20-20"? I am like an earlier poster where once I put my camper on the tongue, I get in the driver seat and I've maxed payload. With my blue ox hitch the trailer is all over the place with the tail wagging the dog. The thing is, and I've stated it before, my 2001 Supercrew tows it just fine with the same hitch.
So, for the OP, he got a good deal on that GMC and I'm sure it will more than suffice for his application.
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