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Old 06-20-2013, 05:10 PM   #91
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One more question... I opened the gas... er... fuel tank lid on the F-250 and there was a second filler that said "exhaust fluid"... (I think that's what it said)... What's that and where would I get it? How much does it use and how much does it cost?

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Old 06-20-2013, 05:59 PM   #92
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Ahh .. DEF =deisel exhaust fluid... i bought a 2 1/2 gallon jug with the flexible spout from my Ford dealer...emptied it into the def tank when it was less than 1/2 full...i refill that same jug (and save the flexible spout too) at flying j/pilot travel centers for around $ 2.80 a gallon ..or..when pulling into the def pump lanes you can pump directly into your def tank instead ....hope this helps
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:50 PM   #93
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Well, my gasser cost me $22,400- + a worn out, 10-year-old Expedition, so about $27,000-, drive-out. I get about 21 on the hiway (302 cu. in.) So, are you really getting 22 mpg hiway with the diesel? That's OK but not really better than what I'm getting, because diesel costs more. I get about 10.2 mpg pulling and others tell me that the 6,000# I pull would only drop me to about 16 mpg pulling with a diesel. I looked at a Ford F-250 today but it would cost me between $20,000- and $25,000- to trade up. I am having a tough time justifying that much expense... Aaaaahhhhh!!!!!! Seriously, I don't have much hair left... so don't make me pull any more of it out...
Well, my father in law drives the diesel. I have the tundra half ton gasser. I used figures he gave me with his 3/4 ton Chevy diesel. I tow 7700 lb dry weight.

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He tows 8700 lb dry weight. Both are 5th wheels. My brother has 3/4 ton dodge diesel, he
tows 6000 bumper pull and claims 13 mpgs. Just consider fuel cost, tow limits, vehicle cost, vehicle use, (will you use it other than towing?), etc. Then get the best you can justify. I just pulled my 5th wheel up and down the Ozarks at buffalo river with the tundra with no problem. Some steep grades. My brother pulled his 6000 lb bumper pull with his 3/4 diesel with ease. My nephew, with 7000lb bumper pull, struggled with his 3/4 ton gasser. He was very disappointed. Consider your needs and good luck.
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Old 06-23-2013, 01:13 PM   #94
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OK, with a little research it appears that today's pickups and other diesels use DEF at a rate of about 3% compared to the amount of diesel burned. That will actually add about 1.75% to the cost per mile for fuel... So... yet another cost to be figured into the equation as to whether it's worth it... Yep, stickin' to the gasser for a while longer is what's making financial sense, right now.

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Actually the math points to diesel. All things considered including better mpg and the cost of def and that you get 90% of the cost back when you trade it in.
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I bought a 2003 1500 HD Chevy with the 6 liter gas and it pulled my 5th wheel trailer ok. I moved up to a larger 5th wheel and it still pulled the trailer OK. I then traded up to a 2500 HD duramax w/Allison trans and could not be happier. Still have the truck and it still gets fuel mileage better then a gas and empty the mileage is over 20 at highway speed. The diesel market is going to price itself out of market soon with 60K trucks.
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Not to really say anything bad about your dealer but you say that they showed you how to drain the water separator and you said it had a little bit of water in it. Was this at the dealer you drained it because they should have drained it when they did the service.
There is nothing in the 15,000 mile Ram scheduled service interval that requires draining the w/s. As I stated earlier, I read about the w/s and knew what and where it was, but never had touched it. I took the opportunity while I had the truck in for service and it was up on the rack to have the guy show me where it is - seeing and touching it is better IMO than just reading about it.
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Well, my father in law drives the diesel. I have the tundra half ton gasser. I used figures he gave me with his 3/4 ton Chevy diesel. I tow 7700 lb dry weight.

He tows 8700 lb dry weight. Both are 5th wheels. My brother has 3/4 ton dodge diesel, he
tows 6000 bumper pull and claims 13 mpgs. Just consider fuel cost, tow limits, vehicle cost, vehicle use, (will you use it other than towing?), etc. Then get the best you can justify. I just pulled my 5th wheel up and down the Ozarks at buffalo river with the tundra with no problem. Some steep grades. My brother pulled his 6000 lb bumper pull with his 3/4 diesel with ease. My nephew, with 7000lb bumper pull, struggled with his 3/4 ton gasser. He was very disappointed. Consider your needs and good luck.
What brand of 3/4 ton gasser does your nephew have? And what year?
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Nephew has 2011 f250. Don't know engine size or transmission but it is gas. He traded a diesel f250 for it new 2 years ago. According to him, big mistake.
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Actually the math points to diesel. All things considered including better mpg and the cost of def and that you get 90% of the cost back when you trade it in.
That sounds great if it can happen. 90% back is pretty vague. Surely you can't drive a $50,000 diesel for 10 years and get $45,000 on trade in. I can't see the extra cost of a diesel engine ($7000-8000), extra cost of def, extra 50Ę per gal for diesel fuel, extra costs for oil changes being the best choice financially IF a man has a trailer small enough to safely and proficiently be done with half ton gasser.
The math shows that a diesel will have to tow close to 200,000 miles with its better mpgs to make up the extra cost of the engine.
But, I strongly believe in "to each his own." And safety first.
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